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	<title>Comments on: Misquoting Jesus by Bart Ehrman (Review)</title>
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		<title>By: Fargus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fargus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke,

I appreciate your review as a take that made me think.  It was a little different from my impression of the book (granted, I read it 3 or 4 years ago), though, and I never got the impression that Ehrman was attempting to make as grand a case as you seem to imply, at least directly.
My impression was that Ehrman, through illustrating a few examples where text was inserted entirely after the fact, and where accidental or deliberate transcription errors could change the meaning of a passage, hoped to argue not that these examples were sufficient to disprove the entire Bible, but that they were at least enough to sow doubts.  If we can see these differences between the manuscripts which survive, what of the ones that didn&#039;t?  I don&#039;t think I&#039;d be wrong in assuming that the &quot;winners&quot; of the doctrinal debates would have had a bias toward destroying the more divergent texts, which would lead ultimately to more uniformity among the surviving texts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke,</p>
<p>I appreciate your review as a take that made me think.  It was a little different from my impression of the book (granted, I read it 3 or 4 years ago), though, and I never got the impression that Ehrman was attempting to make as grand a case as you seem to imply, at least directly.<br />
My impression was that Ehrman, through illustrating a few examples where text was inserted entirely after the fact, and where accidental or deliberate transcription errors could change the meaning of a passage, hoped to argue not that these examples were sufficient to disprove the entire Bible, but that they were at least enough to sow doubts.  If we can see these differences between the manuscripts which survive, what of the ones that didn&#8217;t?  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d be wrong in assuming that the &#8220;winners&#8221; of the doctrinal debates would have had a bias toward destroying the more divergent texts, which would lead ultimately to more uniformity among the surviving texts.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee A. P.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True Luke. 

The Urantia Book is pretty facinating. 

I&#039;d bet Mike Licona would say demons dictated it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True Luke. </p>
<p>The Urantia Book is pretty facinating. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d bet Mike Licona would say demons dictated it.</p>
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		<title>By: lukeprog</title>
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		<dc:creator>lukeprog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee,

But we don&#039;t even know who wrote &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Urantia_Book&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Urantia Book&lt;/a&gt;!

I guess it is bizarre enough for Stockhausen to have referenced it in acts 1 and 3 of &lt;em&gt;Donnerstag&lt;/em&gt; (&lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licht&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Licht&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee,</p>
<p>But we don&#8217;t even know who wrote <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Urantia_Book" rel="nofollow">The Urantia Book</a>!</p>
<p>I guess it is bizarre enough for Stockhausen to have referenced it in acts 1 and 3 of <em>Donnerstag</em> (<em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licht" rel="nofollow">Licht</a></em>).</p>
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		<title>By: lukeprog</title>
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		<dc:creator>lukeprog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lorkas: I agree, but those are not the doctrines that Bart Ehrman thinks are jeopardized by variants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lorkas: I agree, but those are not the doctrines that Bart Ehrman thinks are jeopardized by variants.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=27#comment-5078</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great review.  I&#039;ve read several of Bart&#039;s other books and have walked away with the same impression.  His argument is an inference into the probable nature of those 1st two centuries of manuscripts that he ultimately can&#039;t prove.  He needs to make that very clear and always bring it back to that argument as one of the comments clarified.  I imagine he is probably correct, but there&#039;s plenty of junk for apologists to attack if he at all overstates his claims or gets off track.  I&#039;ve seen inerrantists hide safely behind the fact we don&#039;t have original &quot;autographs&quot; so nothing he says technically touches their invincible ignorance.  But exposure to the basic idea probably has its effect on laity.

Ben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great review.  I&#8217;ve read several of Bart&#8217;s other books and have walked away with the same impression.  His argument is an inference into the probable nature of those 1st two centuries of manuscripts that he ultimately can&#8217;t prove.  He needs to make that very clear and always bring it back to that argument as one of the comments clarified.  I imagine he is probably correct, but there&#8217;s plenty of junk for apologists to attack if he at all overstates his claims or gets off track.  I&#8217;ve seen inerrantists hide safely behind the fact we don&#8217;t have original &#8220;autographs&#8221; so nothing he says technically touches their invincible ignorance.  But exposure to the basic idea probably has its effect on laity.</p>
<p>Ben</p>
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		<title>By: CharlesP</title>
		<link>http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=27#comment-5063</link>
		<dc:creator>CharlesP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure I don&#039;t have much to add here that Lorkas and Ryan didn&#039;t hit.  When I first read MQJ I was still trying to find a way to keep my faith and at the time I actually told a friend that it in a way helped me by giving me a way of saying &quot;yes he existed, and we know a bit about him, even if we can&#039;t know exactly what happened&quot;  which was admittedly a weak thread to hold on to, but it was a thread I could have held on to if I hadn&#039;t continued on my &quot;search for truth&quot; instead of moving to a search to confirm my faith.  

I think Ehrman does overstate his case a few times in the book (as you pointed out luke), but I think within the context of the book as I read it they didn&#039;t seem to be the thesis or detract from the actual information he was giving (often they seemed to be things set there so somebody could pull-quote it and cause controversy which would help sales).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure I don&#8217;t have much to add here that Lorkas and Ryan didn&#8217;t hit.  When I first read MQJ I was still trying to find a way to keep my faith and at the time I actually told a friend that it in a way helped me by giving me a way of saying &#8220;yes he existed, and we know a bit about him, even if we can&#8217;t know exactly what happened&#8221;  which was admittedly a weak thread to hold on to, but it was a thread I could have held on to if I hadn&#8217;t continued on my &#8220;search for truth&#8221; instead of moving to a search to confirm my faith.  </p>
<p>I think Ehrman does overstate his case a few times in the book (as you pointed out luke), but I think within the context of the book as I read it they didn&#8217;t seem to be the thesis or detract from the actual information he was giving (often they seemed to be things set there so somebody could pull-quote it and cause controversy which would help sales).</p>
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		<title>By: Lee A. P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee A. P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It always struck me as odd as well -- So what if the New Testament has been handed down and translated and transcribed with 100% accuracy? Or the Koran for that matter. There is a world of difficulties that cast a gargantuan doubt on the claims of the bible as the magicaly perfect word of God regardless. 

We have perfect copies of The Urantia Book.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://urantiabook.org/newbook/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://urantiabook.org/newbook/index.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It always struck me as odd as well &#8211; So what if the New Testament has been handed down and translated and transcribed with 100% accuracy? Or the Koran for that matter. There is a world of difficulties that cast a gargantuan doubt on the claims of the bible as the magicaly perfect word of God regardless. </p>
<p>We have perfect copies of The Urantia Book.</p>
<p><a href="http://urantiabook.org/newbook/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://urantiabook.org/newbook/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reginald Selkirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reginald Selkirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-5052&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-5052&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lorkas&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: I have to disagree with you here, Luke. A large number of variant texts is a problem for certain doctrines: namely, those which claim that the Bible is the unchanging word of God.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
For a rather bizarre example of this, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Fakers-Exploding-Myths-Supernatural/dp/B002ADUEGA/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1244822432&amp;sr=1-6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Fakers&lt;/a&gt; by Danny Korem and Paul Meier. The first half of the book resembles a typical skeptical work, debunking such things as dowsing and ESP claims; except that each chapter ends with pious nonsense to that effect that it is unfortunate people believe in this stuff, because it blinds them to the real magic of God. In the latter part of the book, Korem makes his claim that the exceptional preservation of the text of the Torah over millenia indicates that God is overseeing the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="comment-5052"><p><strong><a href="#comment-5052" rel="nofollow">Lorkas</a></strong>: I have to disagree with you here, Luke. A large number of variant texts is a problem for certain doctrines: namely, those which claim that the Bible is the unchanging word of God.</p></blockquote>
<p>For a rather bizarre example of this, see <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Fakers-Exploding-Myths-Supernatural/dp/B002ADUEGA/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1244822432&amp;sr=1-6" rel="nofollow">The Fakers</a> by Danny Korem and Paul Meier. The first half of the book resembles a typical skeptical work, debunking such things as dowsing and ESP claims; except that each chapter ends with pious nonsense to that effect that it is unfortunate people believe in this stuff, because it blinds them to the real magic of God. In the latter part of the book, Korem makes his claim that the exceptional preservation of the text of the Torah over millenia indicates that God is overseeing the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree with you here, Luke. A large number of variant texts &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a problem for certain doctrines: namely, those which claim that the Bible is the unchanging word of God. Just the same way that the large number of early variants is a big problem for people who claim that the Qur&#039;an was recited to Muhammad by an angel word-for-word and is unchanged since.

Now, for Christians who admit human influence into the writing/reading of the Bible, I agree with you. Although, I do think it brings up certain questions, like: If God were real, and he wanted to communicate to us through the Bible, why would he allow so many errors to enter it? Does he &lt;em&gt;want&lt;/em&gt; to communicate with us imperfectly? If he &lt;em&gt;wants&lt;/em&gt; to communicate with us imperfectly, is it fair to base his judgment of us on whether or not we understood his communication to us?

These questions, I think, are problematic for &lt;em&gt;certain&lt;/em&gt; doctrines, even if it isn&#039;t a QED against Christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with you here, Luke. A large number of variant texts <em>is</em> a problem for certain doctrines: namely, those which claim that the Bible is the unchanging word of God. Just the same way that the large number of early variants is a big problem for people who claim that the Qur&#8217;an was recited to Muhammad by an angel word-for-word and is unchanged since.</p>
<p>Now, for Christians who admit human influence into the writing/reading of the Bible, I agree with you. Although, I do think it brings up certain questions, like: If God were real, and he wanted to communicate to us through the Bible, why would he allow so many errors to enter it? Does he <em>want</em> to communicate with us imperfectly? If he <em>wants</em> to communicate with us imperfectly, is it fair to base his judgment of us on whether or not we understood his communication to us?</p>
<p>These questions, I think, are problematic for <em>certain</em> doctrines, even if it isn&#8217;t a QED against Christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that everybody always glosses over Ehrman&#039;s comment that &quot;the [NT] text [we have today] is no doubt closely (&lt;em&gt;very &lt;/em&gt;closely) related to what the author originally wrote, and so it is the basis for out interpretation of his teaching&quot; (p. 62 paperback).   His point in MQJ is that we cannot be 100% certain that the text we have today is identical to the originals.  There is still a minor chance of errorr.  Thus, when he talks of &quot;knowing&quot; that we have the originals, he is being an infallibilist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that everybody always glosses over Ehrman&#8217;s comment that &#8220;the [NT] text [we have today] is no doubt closely (<em>very </em>closely) related to what the author originally wrote, and so it is the basis for out interpretation of his teaching&#8221; (p. 62 paperback).   His point in MQJ is that we cannot be 100% certain that the text we have today is identical to the originals.  There is still a minor chance of errorr.  Thus, when he talks of &#8220;knowing&#8221; that we have the originals, he is being an infallibilist.</p>
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		<title>By: Reginald Selkirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reginald Selkirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Ehrman oversold his case, or failed to make it clear. I don&#039;t think that&#039;s anywhere near as bad as those clergy and institutions which claim that the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wheaton.edu/welcome/aboutus_mission.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are verbally inspired by God and inerrant in the original writing&lt;/a&gt;. We don&#039;t actually have any of the OT or NT &quot;in the original writing,&quot; and the scholarship which gets us close to those originals does not in the least support a contention that the originals were inerrant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Ehrman oversold his case, or failed to make it clear. I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s anywhere near as bad as those clergy and institutions which claim that the <a href="http://www.wheaton.edu/welcome/aboutus_mission.html" rel="nofollow">Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are verbally inspired by God and inerrant in the original writing</a>. We don&#8217;t actually have any of the OT or NT &#8220;in the original writing,&#8221; and the scholarship which gets us close to those originals does not in the least support a contention that the originals were inerrant.</p>
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		<title>By: Reginald Selkirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reginald Selkirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-2530&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2530&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Daffey&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: To get the number of variants, you have to combine the total number of words from all of the manuscripts - far more than 100,000 words. It’s a sleight of hand...&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Um... if there were no variants, all those manuscripts would be identical. We would have N copies of 100,000 words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="comment-2530"><p><strong><a href="#comment-2530" rel="nofollow">Daffey</a></strong>: To get the number of variants, you have to combine the total number of words from all of the manuscripts &#8211; far more than 100,000 words. It’s a sleight of hand&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Um&#8230; if there were no variants, all those manuscripts would be identical. We would have N copies of 100,000 words.</p>
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		<title>By: lukeprog</title>
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		<dc:creator>lukeprog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ryan, that&#039;s useful.</description>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if you have the paperback edition or not, but if not get to a bookstore and check the back of it: There you will find an interview with Ehrman in which he clarifies his thesis and seems toned down a bit.

Ehrman also expounded upon his position in a debate with James White (as summarized by John Loftus):

&quot;One of the disputes between Ehrman and White had to do with the period of time before we find any manuscripts of the New Testament. They both acknowledged that between manuscripts there were many more variants in the earlier periods than in the later periods. From the 2nd century to the 4th century there were many more variants between texts than there were between the 4th century and the 9th century, for instance. Ehrman&#039;s argument is that since this is so then we have every reason to think there were even greater variants before we find our first manuscript copies. Among the earliest untrained and sometimes illiterate scribes we would expect even greater manuscript variants. Based on this trend Ehrman argued we just don&#039;t know what the original manuscripts said. James White argued instead that if indeed the earliest copies of the originals contained greater variants, then despite the trend we should see even greater variants among the actual manuscripts we have than we find in them. But we don&#039;t, he argued. 

&quot;I think Ehrman answered White&#039;s counter-argument elsewhere when he spoke of the probability that an original text could be copied and never used to copy from again. In this scenario a 2nd generation copy was copied just a few times over but the 3rd generation copy was copied extensively from then on. So even though we may not have as wide a number of variants as we might expect among the earliest manuscripts we actually have if this trend extended to the earliest scibes, it says nothing to counter the trend going back in time. The fact is that the evidence strongly suggests there would&#039;ve been more variants between the earliest manuscripts the farther back in time we go. It&#039;s just that we only have copies of copies of copies to go on and these copies may be all that survived. One can only wonder what the original texts said, Ehrman argues. We just don&#039;t know. I agree.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if you have the paperback edition or not, but if not get to a bookstore and check the back of it: There you will find an interview with Ehrman in which he clarifies his thesis and seems toned down a bit.</p>
<p>Ehrman also expounded upon his position in a debate with James White (as summarized by John Loftus):</p>
<p>&#8220;One of the disputes between Ehrman and White had to do with the period of time before we find any manuscripts of the New Testament. They both acknowledged that between manuscripts there were many more variants in the earlier periods than in the later periods. From the 2nd century to the 4th century there were many more variants between texts than there were between the 4th century and the 9th century, for instance. Ehrman&#8217;s argument is that since this is so then we have every reason to think there were even greater variants before we find our first manuscript copies. Among the earliest untrained and sometimes illiterate scribes we would expect even greater manuscript variants. Based on this trend Ehrman argued we just don&#8217;t know what the original manuscripts said. James White argued instead that if indeed the earliest copies of the originals contained greater variants, then despite the trend we should see even greater variants among the actual manuscripts we have than we find in them. But we don&#8217;t, he argued. </p>
<p>&#8220;I think Ehrman answered White&#8217;s counter-argument elsewhere when he spoke of the probability that an original text could be copied and never used to copy from again. In this scenario a 2nd generation copy was copied just a few times over but the 3rd generation copy was copied extensively from then on. So even though we may not have as wide a number of variants as we might expect among the earliest manuscripts we actually have if this trend extended to the earliest scibes, it says nothing to counter the trend going back in time. The fact is that the evidence strongly suggests there would&#8217;ve been more variants between the earliest manuscripts the farther back in time we go. It&#8217;s just that we only have copies of copies of copies to go on and these copies may be all that survived. One can only wonder what the original texts said, Ehrman argues. We just don&#8217;t know. I agree.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Daffey</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To get the number of variants, you have to combine the total number of words from all of the manuscripts - far more than 100,000 words. It&#039;s a sleight of hand, and shouldn&#039;t be part of serious scholarship. And the review is correct, attacking the NT on textual grounds is almost doomed to fail with anyone in the know. Not to mention, as Roger P. points out, that Bart E. almost gives the impression that the more evidence you have, the worse off you are. Scholars of most ancient texts would kill to have that many resources available! Best to try a different approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To get the number of variants, you have to combine the total number of words from all of the manuscripts &#8211; far more than 100,000 words. It&#8217;s a sleight of hand, and shouldn&#8217;t be part of serious scholarship. And the review is correct, attacking the NT on textual grounds is almost doomed to fail with anyone in the know. Not to mention, as Roger P. points out, that Bart E. almost gives the impression that the more evidence you have, the worse off you are. Scholars of most ancient texts would kill to have that many resources available! Best to try a different approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Pearse</title>
		<link>http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=27#comment-801</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Pearse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.  Glad to hear an atheist picking up on the sheer awfulness of the idea that lots of manuscript witnesses for a text is a proof of its UNreliabilty.  
Ehrman&#039;s words seem to be encouraging people to believe that we don&#039;t have the text of any ancient literature, which is surely the reverse of what a text critic should be doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.  Glad to hear an atheist picking up on the sheer awfulness of the idea that lots of manuscript witnesses for a text is a proof of its UNreliabilty.<br />
Ehrman&#8217;s words seem to be encouraging people to believe that we don&#8217;t have the text of any ancient literature, which is surely the reverse of what a text critic should be doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Aubrey</title>
		<link>http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=27#comment-121</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally, Ehrman is correct in saying that there are more variants than words in the GNT. Estimates go from 300,000 to 400,000 variants, where there are just over 100,000 words.

With that said, you&#039;re correct. The number of variants doesn&#039;t invalidate anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, Ehrman is correct in saying that there are more variants than words in the GNT. Estimates go from 300,000 to 400,000 variants, where there are just over 100,000 words.</p>
<p>With that said, you&#8217;re correct. The number of variants doesn&#8217;t invalidate anything.</p>
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