Comments on: Universally Preferable Behaviour by Stefan Molyneux (Review)

By: Krof Gninut

Krof Gninut — Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:39:09 +0000

I think this post misses the main point of UPB. I thought it through for quite a while and re-read it a few times. I admit that it is written with confusing and at times inconsistent terminology (not logic!) and thus leaves a lot of room for attack.Here is my own interpretation of it:http://www.economicsjunkie.com/universally-preferable-behaviour-a-rational-proof-of-secular-ethics/Of course I may be wrong and always appreciate feedback. (Quote)

Thank you very much :D. It's always interesting to read UPB written in different ways.

By: Nima

Nima — Fri, 16 Apr 2010 01:08:27 +0000

I think this post misses the main point of UPB. I thought it through for quite a while and re-read it a few times. I admit that it is written with confusing and at times inconsistent terminology (not logic!) and thus leaves a lot of room for attack.

Here is my own interpretation of it:

http://www.economicsjunkie.com/universally-preferable-behaviour-a-rational-proof-of-secular-ethics/

Of course I may be wrong and always appreciate feedback.

By: lukeprog

lukeprog — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 23:22:54 +0000

Krof, I explain what I mean by the header quote here.

By: Krof Gninut

Krof Gninut — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:21:56 +0000

Oh, and there is a problem with the Stephan Roberts comment on the site header: logical athiesm should be held because the belief in god has neither proof nor logical constistancy.
To disbelieve for the same reason a religious person disbelieves other gods is to disbelieve ideologically, not rationally.

By: Krof Gninut

Krof Gninut — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:18:41 +0000

I strongly reccomend that you reread it. Things like this are an integrated whole, and are not likely to make sense if you fail to understand the key concepts. I have seen people miss the whole point because they didn’t see a booleen operator on one sentence.
So please, reread it. Carefully. If you have any questions about it afterwards, I can try to answer them (or Stef can do it himself, if you’d rather speak to the author).

By: lukeprog

lukeprog — Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:49:13 +0000

Did I read the book? Yes. I quoted extensively from it.

By: Stonegoal

Stonegoal — Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:08:58 +0000

Did you read any of the book? How could you use “And if so, does that mean that killing others to become king, maintain a harem, and father hundreds of children is moral?” as a question questioning UPB’s claim of being valid?

The term Universally Preferable Behaviour should really be Human Preferable Behaviour but he choose Universally because of marketing.

By: drj

drj — Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:52:04 +0000

Nathan: So what you are saying is that in order to be valid, Stef’s theory should contain logical arguments?

A valid argument is a well formed deductive argument - so yea, since the arguments he published for his theory are dressed deductively, they need to be valid. If they arent valid, they are fallacies. A big rookie mistake - its exceedingly rare to see a pro philosopher publish invalid arguments. Seems Stef does it several times in the same publication :(

By: Nathan

Nathan — Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:41:40 +0000

So what you are saying is that in order to be valid, Stef’s theory should contain logical arguments?

By: Nima

Nima — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:42:30 +0000

I think Stef would be more than happy to explain what you are missing when interpreting these (out of context) statements. The fact that you say you read Universally Preferable Behavior, but after that still admittedly don’t know what UPB actually is, yet still attempt to refute passages from it, simply speaks for itself …

By: lukeprog

lukeprog — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:57:49 +0000

Thanks for the correction, Barbara.

By: Barbara Weed

Barbara Weed — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:59:39 +0000

Fascinating review that exposes Stefan Molyneux as the fraud he really is. I would like more people to be able to read it. Please could you amend the spelling of his surname (to Molyneux not Molyneaux) so the review will appear in internet searches.