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by Luke Muehlhauser on July 5, 2010 in Funny,Video

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TheJackal July 6, 2010 at 6:39 am

How is the “laws” of logic more real then 72 virgins in heaven? Only Jesus is real, I can feel it, I know it.
Atheism is a terrible mythic cult proven wrong by it’s own saints. Like Foucault & Heidegger. The Laws of logic are simple myths with no rhythm & reason.

In what is suppose to be “intro to logic” you do not explain and justify laws of logic. Why Faith is different? And don’t tell me false analogy, because it needs logic.

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Lorkas July 6, 2010 at 7:28 am

Reason is better because it has led to measurable accomplishments like eradicating polio and placing a man on the moon.

I’d respect faith to the same degree that I respect reason as a way of knowing if faith also enabled people to accomplish measurable feats like, I don’t know… moving mountains. But faith can’t do that, or eradicate diseases, or place men on the moon. So there’s one strong reason to prefer reason and logic over your ridiculous faith, even if we can’t demonstrate the laws of logic themselves to be true via evidence or deductive argument.

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TheJackal July 6, 2010 at 8:10 am

Are you a pragmatist? So you admit that logic is a (useful) illusion and there is no such thing as reality. This is where Atheism leads you to – Solipsism & cynical view of the value of life.
While faith is light, god is needed for objective knowledge, the only route to it.
You ignore your own men, saying logic is fake (Like Foucault & Heidegger), they shows how logic disproves itself.
You ask religious to check there dogmas and the skeletons in there closet, how about yours? This is the basic hypocrisy of Atheism. Built on sand & dust.

If pragmatism, why not be an open theist and over with it? Join us.
Since I’m a strong believer that has seen g-d, I cannot doubt g-d. But the classic laws of logic, I can.

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EvanT July 6, 2010 at 8:54 am

Oh my… how do you know you saw god and not a jinn trying to lure you away from the truth of Islam?! The Jinn do that often, you know. Next time I go to the mosque, I’ll pray for your lost soul. (I’m being sarcastic, of course).

Atheism is a terrible mythic cult proven wrong by it’s own saints.

Yes, of course… I can see it now. What’s mythic about a man being born from a virgin. Apparently nothing. And it’s in a book and books never lie. And of course, if Foucault and Heidegger wrote something, it’s got to be correct, because they’re atheism’s saints and how could we ever contradict them.

Grow up, man. We’re all people and we’re all fallible, and we all hate being wrong, but we’re doing the best we can with what we have at hand. If you want to imagine a deity to safeguard your ideas from criticism, be my guest, but don’t expect me to take you seriously.

BTW, don’t say you have seen god. It emphatically stated in the Bible that no man has ever seen god. You wouldn’t want to be mistaken for a heretic, now would you? That used to be quite… unpleasant…

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lukeprog July 6, 2010 at 9:09 am

TheJackal,

Did you just say that I need to justify why logic is better than faith, and then say I must use logic and not faith to justify it?

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TheJackal July 6, 2010 at 12:01 pm

I do not justify faith with this heretical logic.
I only prove it is incoherent and absurd.

You suffer from what your ideology calls “confirmation bias”, why don’t you deal with post-modern thinkers in at least half the amount you deal with the religious ones? Hypocrisy is the base of atheism and all positive belief.

There is no “Yes or “No” -only middle-. Have to ever seen something as a black or white? Life and reality are forever flowing and logic has nothing to do with reality (fuzzy it is, not categorical).
Philosophers today speak of the absurdity of the law of non-contradiction since and leaving it.
The (ideological) dogmas of Aristotle will fall, now challenged.

“The Law of Non-Contradiction” (2007) by Graham Priest, shows how much your logic has built an empire of dirt, founded on sand.

I have seen g-d in my soul-mind. I do not need to believe in something that is a part of my being.
I know blessed he is here since I feel him all the time, all around – and so do you my friends.
I respect everyone’s g-ds, since we all feel the same g-d (Africa, Europe or Saudi Arabia).
Tolerance is important for a good life of faith. logic is mythical, unless proven otherwise.

You have the burden of proof atheists, prove the mythical laws of logic on which you build systems of beliefs and mythology. (Roland Barthes speaks of this myth of secular life).

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EvanT July 6, 2010 at 3:04 pm

TheJackal,
did you get what Luke just wrote? You repeated your error again.

You accuse us of Confirmation Bias, but Confirmation Bias is based on logic. You say logic does not exist. So we suffer from something that is caused by something that doesn’t exist? You’ve got everything mixed up.

You speak of having seen Jesus, but you have faith (you’ve seen him, so you know he’s real; faith’s got nothing to do with it).

You are overjoyed that Aristotelian logic is crumbling, but apparently forget that all western christian theology was based on Aristotelian logic, so it will crumble as well.

You just throw a casual comment about the axiom of non-contradiction, even though you use it every single day (gee… this table is made of wood, so it’s not made of plastic) which makes me doubt if you even know what this axiom states. And of course, you toss Priest’s name, as if his work on Dialetheism is criticism-free, 100% correct or destructive to the whole fabric of logic for that matter.

And to top it all off, “The Laws of logic are simple myths with no rhythm & reason”. You REALLY must tell me what thing other than logic you used to determine this. Pray tell, you didn’t use logic, did you?!

Just face it. You successfully use these non-existent and mythical laws of logic every waking moment of your life and closing your eyes and ears and going “lalalalala, I can’t hear you!” won’t change that fact. From the moment you wake up and say “I’m breathing, so I’m alive” to “it’s raining and I don’t want to get wet, so I’ll take my umbrella” you use logic. Sorry.

And BTW, logic is an always refined tool, not an entity. You keep referring to it as if it’s some sort of atheistic deity. Trust me, the moment some invents Dr.Who’s sonic screwdriver, I’ll be throwing away my heavy key-chain.

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Ben July 6, 2010 at 4:03 pm

I haven’t seen TheJackal post here yet, so maybe I missed him, but I’m pretty sure he’s just one hell of a troll.

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Jeff H July 6, 2010 at 7:25 pm

Oh don’t lump Foucault and Heidegger together in the same sentence. I go to the Reformed Church of Heidegger on 43rd street and they tell me there that Foucault is from the postmodernist devil! It says so right in Being and Time 3:32.

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CarlosTheJackal July 7, 2010 at 6:22 am

Atheists! be not afraid of your g-d (logic)read this book:
“The Law of Non-Contradiction” (2007) by Graham Priest
-”God is DEAD!” be free now! logic is only a fake tool in hands of those who want to oppress you! it is a tool of social control!

The mythical cult of atheism with logic as it’s g-d (instead of the holy trinity) is the only kind of heresy!
You speak of burden of proof! where is proof of mr. Logic?
If g-d’s carry this burden, so should logic (your imaginary friend).

Prove my god does not exist (if you can!) now you will tell me you do not have to prove a negative!
…But with mr. holy logic its OK? how hypocrisy.
What donkey eye work! This is a display of cognitive dissonance, a firework display.

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EvanT July 7, 2010 at 9:48 am

What an outburst! This is getting increasingly amusing.

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Luc Cole July 27, 2011 at 2:23 pm

Not to beat a dead horse, but Jackal…. tsk-tsk-tsk-tsk… this is pathetic.

First of all, grab a Funk and Wagnalls and look up, “cult.” Atheism is not a cult. There is no, “Church of Atheism.” If you can find me one, then I will gladly take back this statement.

Logic is not an entity. Rather, it is a method by which one can go back and justify the beliefs that they have (which typically results in faulty reasoning at some point down the line), or a method by which someone reaches a conclusion (e.g. Spinoza, Bishop Berkeley). Logic is used by atheists and theists alike; it is simultaneously discarded by atheists and theists alike. Meanwhile, those who are applying logic in their every day lives always suffer the possibility of misusing it at some point along the way, which EVERYONE does at some point.

You, on the other hand, seem to have it in your head that faith is a legitimate epistemology. Unfortunately, faith has been shown to be nothing more than strong passion behind what is really no more than an unverifiable hypothesis. A gambler may have strong faith that -at some point- he will win his money back, but that doesn’t make it true. Simultaneously, there are plenty of others throughout the world who fixate their believes by the medium of faith and faith alone; the majority of them, as it just so happens, are not Christian. So even you have to acknowledge the fact that in the majority of instances throughout the world and its history (which is demonstrably longer than 6,000 years old, I don’t care what you say), faith is not a method of acquiring knowledge.

Finally, even if faith WAS a legitimate method of acquiring knowledge, how on earth can you demonstrate your beliefs to other people? All you have to work with is, “I have faith. Thus, I have the truth.” Logic at least makes an effort to symbolize concepts so that they can be communicated with others; so even if faith was a valid epistemology, it is completely selfish.

In summation: shove it up your namby pampy Christian ass and go back to where you were before the religious right brought you into the forefront of American politics. And while you’re there, be thankful for the loop-hole in secularism that allows for bigots like you to even exist.

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