Jesus Hasn’t Left the Galaxy

by Luke Muehlhauser on August 26, 2010 in Video

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EvanT August 26, 2010 at 5:50 am

I just love bishop Spong. He’s one of the few Christian clerics I enjoy listening to. But of course, I always wondered if he’s an actual Christian trying to reform the church (nailing his 12 theses on the door of the internet) or unbeknown to himself a Christian Deist. This excellent speech of his for instance is just like reading Thomas Paine’s description of his deistic God.
(Sidenote: Dontcha just love internet globalization? I live in Greece and know of Spong and Paine for Pete’s sake :D The power of the internet is the closest I’ve come to a religious experience!)

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Pedro Amaral Couto August 26, 2010 at 1:26 pm

I showed that video to a catholic friend – I think he didn’t like it very much. Crossan is also a very liberal christian. He does not believe in a supernatural God and he said to William Craig that the marian virginity and godly Jesus were inventions to respond to the supposedly divinity of Caesar Augustus: http://www.bringyou.to/CraigCrossanDebate.mp3

If you liked that Spong discourse, you may also like:
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc (‘Hell’ as an invention of the church)
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlhqnrGI-BQ ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EdxuC12-g0 (Must Christianity Change Or Die? – Lee Strobel – Faith Under Fire)

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EvanT August 26, 2010 at 1:41 pm

I’ve seen them already. Saw quite a few of his back at my Deist days, when I was exploring alternate religious paths. Next week I’ll be translating his “Beyond Theism” speech bit for my blog (at least that’s how I found it on YouTube).

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nonexistentpuppies August 27, 2010 at 7:40 am

The ascension is probably one thing that many Christians would like to turn into some kind of “metaphor”, being that it is so disconfirmed by all kinds of empirical study of the universe (they’re never that keen to do the same thing with the resurrection, strangely enough).

But there really is no need to resort to such sophistry. Here’s my solution:

2000 years ago, the universe WAS three-tired. At some point in the past, however, (say, sometime in the last 500 years or so) God decided to change things around. The moment it looked like humans were going to discover what lay beyond our skies or beneath our earth, God moved heaven and hell into ANOTHER DIMENSION.

If a skeptic asks why or how God could do this, I have the perfect response: GOD CAN DO ANYTHING.

What all this means is that the Bible IS factually true, (Jesus DID ascend vertically into heaven, via unknown means of aerial propulsion) even though it may not look like it today. GOD HAS MOVED WITH THE TIMES.

I’ll take my theology degree to go, thank you very much.

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EvanT August 27, 2010 at 8:51 am

2000 years ago, the universe WAS three-tired.

Nonsense.Everyone knows that 2000 years ago the Earth was a flat disk resting on the backs of 4 elephants, resting on the back of a tortoise. Sheesh, where did YOU grow up? Europe?

I’ll take a theology degree as well, if you still got any. LOL.

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