A Courageous Young Atheist

by Luke Muehlhauser on January 22, 2010 in Amazing Atheists,Video

Here is an update from her father. Nicole is on MySpace and Facebook.

She’s now 19, still courageous, a drummer & singer & model and not too bad at public speaking (which is also one of my passions). I think I’m in love…

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SuperUltraMegaJamminSage January 22, 2010 at 6:47 am

Unfortunately this kind of stuff happens in this country (if you completely believe the story), but we must understand that the majority of this country is made up of small towns with small-minded people and they are going to act out their fears and ignorance on innocent people. It is going to happen until this world is long gone. I wish this kind of stuff would never happen, for it makes my people look really (and I mean really) bad.

In my world (and I mean the life I live) the atheists I know can’t be civil with me. They look for every opportunity to put me down because I believe in the Christian God and I can’t help but notice that the media (news, TV and movies) like to take their jabs at specifically Christianity (because it is the most influential religion in this country and because it was founded on it). Yet again, displays of fear and ignorance. What we have here is struggle between the Loud Minority and the Silent Majority.

If it will make the atheist feel better, I can’t make it in Hollywood with Christian themed movies or shows.

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Briang January 22, 2010 at 7:14 am

This is a pretty old video. I saw it a while ago. It’s sad.

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Alex January 22, 2010 at 7:19 am

Gosh that makes me sad.

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Ryan January 22, 2010 at 7:25 am

As a native Oklahoman, having grown up in that small town culture, I have absolutely no doubt that this happened more or less as she describes.

Sage,

Individual, uncivil atheists are categorically different from a GOVERNMENT entity discriminating against someone for not believing in a god. For starters, the latter is unconstitutional.

I’m curious about what you said about majorities and minorities. In my experience in this country, Christians, both simply cultural and otherwise, are the majority and tend to be vocal about their beliefs, as well as about their disapproval of other groups.

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Ryan January 22, 2010 at 7:28 am

…no matter how much Christians wish to cast themselves as the victims of culture.

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Justfinethanks January 22, 2010 at 7:42 am

SuperUltraMegaJamminSage: If it will make the atheist feel better, I can’t make it in Hollywood with Christian themed movies or shows.  

Yeah, it’s not like the forty eighth highest grossing film of all time was a big budget Hollywood picture about the Crucifixtion of Jesus. Oh wait.

Well, at least it’s not like there aren’t TWO big budget Christian themed produced-by-Hollywood-studios movies that you can watch at your local cineplex RIGHT NOW. Oh …. wait.

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Haukur January 22, 2010 at 7:59 am

Not to worry – I learned from the previous video that the Scientologists are going to bring RELIGIOUS FREEDOM everywhere real soon.

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SuperUltraMegaJamminSage January 22, 2010 at 8:07 am

Do you believe that there is a place in the media for a Christian thinker. I’m sure your thinking of Fox news and other radio shows such as Limbaugh and Savage, however as a more liberal Christian that believes in homosexual rights, pro-choice abortion, stem-cell research, etc, I notice that those handful of commentators are no match for the more likeable and definitely more charismatic ABC, MSNBC, New York Times, etc which are the only opinions that really seem to matter when it comes to political and religious views.

Take Ben Stein, who used to be a columnist for the New York Times. According to him, he was fired because he had some negative things to say about Obama and he stared in a pro-Intelligent Design film where he tries to make atheist like Dawkins look bad (in my opinion, he did not succeed). Because he was working for the New York Times, it was only a matter of time before he was called out and forced out for another reason according to the NYT. Now I don’t pretend to know the complete truth, because only the parties involved and God could know for sure what went down, but that is what I read (this was just within the past 2 years).

Another case is Jim Caviezal who starred as Jesus in the Passion of the Christ was told by Mel Gibson that after he does this role he may never have another acting role in Hollywood ever again. Why would he say that even after how well the movie did at the box office? Because though the millions of people who went to see it and pay good money too, would not have the deciding vote on whether or not he could work in that town again. The minority vote (the people who run Hollywood, not the people from 2 horse towns all over the country who went to see the movie and loved it) ultimately would count when it came to him working again. Of course he still does movies here and there, but before Passion of The Christ, he was considered “one to watch”. Now he is stuck doing just straight to video movies which is not good when it comes to the movie industry.

These are just small examples of how God fearing people get a bad rep just as much as atheists and yes we are vocal about who we are, but if we don’t speak out, no one else will do it for us. Don’t forget, these 2 people, Stein and Caviezal lost jobs, which is a lot more serious than getting kicked off the high school basketball team for scholarships (remember, she chose to leave that school). She can still go to a good college and succeed, where these 2 characters have been black-listed which means limited earning potential. I would like to see John Stossel do a story on them.

Sorry for the long response.

Ryan: As a native Oklahoman, having grown up in that small town culture, I have absolutely no doubt that this happened more or less as she describes.Sage,Individual, uncivil atheists are categorically different from a GOVERNMENT entity discriminating against someone for not believing in a god.For starters, the latter is unconstitutional.I’m curious about what you said about majorities and minorities.In my experience in this country, Christians, both simply cultural and otherwise, are the majority and tend to be vocal about their beliefs, as well as about their disapproval of other groups.  

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SuperUltraMegaJamminSage January 22, 2010 at 8:25 am

I haven’t gotten to see these movies yet Justfinethanks. I did not know exactly what they are about beside the fact that they action movies. Action movies are rarely taken seriously and I’m sure they will be given bad reviews. I do question the purpose of their existence, because a lot of times a movie may seem like it is for something but turns out to be the exact opposite. It is to my understanding that Paul Bettany (star of Legion) is an atheist, but I could be wrong (I have to see the movie). If he is an atheist, it would be hard to believe that he would star in a pro-Christian movie (but he could be that good to not care) and I have a hard time believing it is, because it looks pretty gory and they don’t make Christian themed movies that families can’t see.

Justfinethanks:
Yeah, it’s not like the forty eighth highest grossing film of all time was a big budget Hollywood picture about the Crucifixtion of Jesus. Oh wait.Well, at least it’s not like there aren’t TWO big budget Christian themed produced-by-Hollywood-studios movies that you can watch at your local cineplex RIGHT NOW. Oh …. wait.  

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Lorkas January 22, 2010 at 8:41 am

SuperUltraMegaJamminSage: Take Ben Stein, who used to be a columnist for the New York Times. According to him, he was fired because he had some negative things to say about Obama and he stared in a pro-Intelligent Design film where he tries to make atheist like Dawkins look bad [...]

Stein was fired for starring in advertisements for a credit reporting company that was scamming its customers, while being a financial columnist. This is a clear conflict of interest, and it’s not surprising that he got fired.

Although it might be true that his terrible documentary had something to do with it. It’s hard to recover from the bad taste he showed in Expelled. Not only did he lie to all of the biologists they interviewed for the film, he tried to exploit the Holocaust to argue against evolution. You can’t get much worse than using the death of millions of people to argue about a scientific theory wholly unrelated to that tragedy.

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Dan January 22, 2010 at 8:46 am

At 4:25 Dianne says “They are good Christian kids”. What is a Good Christian? Does that mean there are bad Christians? Christianity has a bad side? Or is she saying the kids are Christian and ALSO good? That still doesn’t help much. It means being only Christian means you don’t have good. You have to be a Christian AND good.

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Bill Maher January 22, 2010 at 8:48 am

Sage, you are wrong about alot of stuff. FOX is no small network, it is the most successful in the country. Rush and the cons on radio are also very successful. Air America, the liberal voice, just went out of business and MSNBC and CNN have dismal ratings.

The Conservative Christian voice is very outspoken and dominates the airwaves with lots of listeners.

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SuperUltraMegaJamminSage January 22, 2010 at 9:05 am

But FOX is still the unpopular opinion in this country and the world. Are they not always considered the bad-guys?

Bill Maher: Sage, you are wrong about alot of stuff. FOX is no small network, it is the most successful in the country. Rush and the cons on radio are also very successful. Air America, the liberal voice, just went out of business and MSNBC and CNN have dismal ratings.The Conservative Christian voice is very outspoken and dominates the airwaves with lots of listeners.  

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SuperUltraMegaJamminSage January 22, 2010 at 9:13 am

Like I said, only the involved parties and the Almighty know for sure. You are right about the bad taste and bad tactics and bad film, but Michael Moore used all the same lying and such for Bowling For Columbine and he won an Oscar. I am not saying that the Academy was completely for his extremist views, but Expelled did nothing new. It was just a poorly put together docu. Also, I felt his using Darwinism as a cause for the Holocaust was pretty creative. Whether I agree with that, remains to be seen.

Lorkas:
Stein was fired for starring in advertisements for a credit reporting company that was scamming its customers, while being a financial columnist. This is a clear conflict of interest, and it’s not surprising that he got fired.
Although it might be true that his terrible documentary had something to do with it. It’s hard to recover from the bad taste he showed in Expelled. Not only did he lie to all of the biologists they interviewed for the film, he tried to exploit the Holocaust to argue against evolution. You can’t get much worse than using the death of millions of people to argue about a scientific theory wholly unrelated to that tragedy.  

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Dan January 22, 2010 at 9:40 am

At 3:54 the narrator says the school declined to comment. Doesn’t that say a lot? Dianne says she’s never seen any bad behavior from the kids. Right, so I guess if you haven’t seen it, it can’t be.

ESPECIALLY if they are brought up with a Bible in which kids could easily read something like John 3:18 “those who do not have faith are already judged, because they did not have faith in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” for encouragement to bash non-believers.

Or John 14:6 “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Or kicking it Old Testament style in Deuteronomy 17:12, “And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die: and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel.” (The New Living Translation of this passage goes straight gangsta on my ass: “Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the Lord your God must die. In this way you will purge the evil from Israel.”)

Whether or not you read these passages as deliberately against atheists or not, these could be easily taken by a teenager to see non-believers as worthless, and thus prey upon them.

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4:46 Marie displays her ignorance, saying, “I don’t particularly know what an atheist… you know, I know they don’t believe like, they don’t have a god that I worship”.

Reminds me of a David Cross bit that he does on his album “Shut Up, You Fucking Baby”. Cross is Jewish.

A quote, which I copied from Wikipedia, so I don’t have to type it all out:

“All the parents see you as is a Jew; I’m a Jewish kid. I’m like a fucking alien to them, you know, I’m a freak.

So If I slept over a friend’s house, I’d always have to deal with these questions in the morning, like, you know, Mom coming in going (southern accent) “David, I’m so sorry to have to ask you this, I’m so sorry, um…I’m fixing to make breakfast for everybody and I certainly wanna include you…and I’m just having some questions I was hoping you could answer…do y’alls people eat oatmeal?”

What? Yeah. Is there something in the Torah that says we shouldn’t eat oatmeal?

(Southern accent) “No, it’s just that I don’t know much about y’alls people, that’s all, I just don’t know–I know y’all hate Jesus! I know y’all hate Jesus, that much I do know…aand, I know y’alls have seven Jew bankers that control the world’s money supply, right? In a bunker somewhere about a mile into the earth’s core? Is that right? Yeah? And y’all do dances in the woods, y’all wear cloaks and do secret services and burn potions and whatnots, and y’all have horns–that’s all I know about y’alls people!”

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5:11 – 20/20 brings up the fact that religious people wonder how atheists can be good without god. A common and stupid question.

There are two responses I always give: 1) If you need your god to be good, how do you explain the good that people of other religions do? [And a second part to this is, how then do you explain the bad that people of your faith do?]

2) If you realized for a fact that there was no god, would you then want to do bad?

At least not all Christians sit and watch people suffer. I know there are many Christians that go out and do good around the world. That’s fine (though I question when on occasion they do good while also trying to spread their religion to the minds of others). But the good that some Christians do, doesn’t answer for all the bad that other equally devout Christian do. Because they are devout through their own interpretations of the Bible. And until God can come down and strike our minds to read his words as he intended, then his defective invention (us) will be unable to come to a consensus on what he meant.

So many different branches of religion, even different brnaches of Christianity itself. I’ve been asked “God DOES appear to us, you just want to explain it away by science. What WOULD convince you that it’s god?”

And to that I say – There is nothing I can think of that would convince me it’s your god or any god. Because yes, I’m a man of reason and science, and that is the only way I can fathom to test and explain our world.

If that’s not the way, blame whomever or whatever did create me for limiting my ability to see things the RIGHT away! And blame this same god for giving us science which apparently is further pulling me away from truth. What kind of all loving god not only limits his children’s ability to see him, but also creates red herrings and diversions?

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As for the eternal suffering for not accepting Jesus, that’s another thing I can’t fathom an all loving god doing. Even parents of this world who have children that run off and scream at them – those parents still love their children, and would never see that they suffer for eternity.

I can’t believe that religious people think atheists just deny gods because they hate gods. Why would any person WANT to be tortured for eternity?

Even if you could find a satisfying reason for why an atheist would WANT to be tortured for eternity, don’t you think then, that ripping up their school posters and bashing them on the playground is just like… absolute pleasure to them? Or at least, it’s foreplay before the real pleasure in hell.

Even then, if they WANT to be tortured in hell, it’s not really torture is it? Because they would want it. No matter how bad religious people think the punishment and torture and pain is – some of those religious people still think that atheists WANT that, because they CHOOSE not to accept Jesus. Well okay, then you’re saying they WANT that kind of torture – which then wouldn’t be torture, because they’d want it. What would be torture for someone who wants to go to hell then? Heaven maybe? So is heaven filled with all the atheists who were looking forward to fun in hell? Ruh roh!

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lukeprog January 22, 2010 at 9:41 am

FOX is considered a ‘bad guy’ by networks with lower ratings, I suppose. Limbaugh is considered a bad guy by people with lower ratings, too.

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SuperUltraMegaJamminSage January 22, 2010 at 10:13 am

My father is an avid FOX news watcher and right-winged radio listener and I don’t agree with most of the issues they support, but we must ask ourselves, why do they have the higher ratings? Is it because their audience completely agrees with them and therefore want them to out-do the other networks and shows? Or is it because their shows are the most controversial and outlandish that even the liberal minded audience tunes in to see the stupid stuff they say?

Why do the other networks have poor ratings? Is it because their audience would rather watch Keeping Up With the Kardashians and Jersey Shore instead of the boring news? That goes the same for the radio, Lady Gaga is always going to trump Air America. Old people like to watch and listen about how this country is going to pot and not much else. This does not mean that things are going to be like this forever. Those old people are going to eventually die and their religious children and children’s children will pay.

lukeprog: FOX is considered a ‘bad guy’ by networks with lower ratings, I suppose. Limbaugh is considered a bad guy by people with lower ratings, too.  

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Justfinethanks January 22, 2010 at 10:22 am

SuperUltraMegaJamminSage: it looks pretty gory and they don’t make Christian themed movies that families can’t see.

What? Did you even SEE Passion of the Christ? It’s worse than the Saw movies in terms of torture and gore.

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Anthony January 22, 2010 at 11:31 am

SuperUltraMegaJamminSageI can’t make it in Hollywood with Christian themed movies or shows.  

Also don’t forget about the Christian themed and highly successful Chronicles of Narnia and Lord of the Rings series.

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SuperUltraMegaJamminSage January 22, 2010 at 11:38 am

Oh yeah, I forgot about that one, but children were not really meant to see that one. It had an R rating after all. In this desensitized day and age, it was meant to show the adult population exactly how bad Jesus suffered that day (if you believe that sort of thing). Other films sugar-coated it which did not do the “myth” justice because they anticipated children would be watching as well. Those who believe were emotionally affected by Mel Gibson’s interpretation and that is what he wanted.

Who knows, maybe one day someone will make a movie about our young protagonist up above, like the Ryan White Story. He was 19 when he died.

Justfinethanks:
What? Did you even SEE Passion of the Christ? It’s worse than the Saw movies in terms of torture and gore.  

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RA January 22, 2010 at 11:46 am

Boy, if you are an actress looking to make it in Hollywood on Christian themed movies or shows, you are definitely in the wrong profession. Because lets face it, those are too boring for even Christians to watch.

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SuperUltraMegaJamminSage January 22, 2010 at 11:47 am

Chronicles of Narnia was a family movie and Disney refused to do the 3rd installment (I wonder why). Who’s trying to do it now? 20th Century FOX. As for Lord of the Rings, the Christian message was so universal that I had no idea Tolkien had a Christian message in there until this past month, I look forward to reading the books soon.

Anthony:
Also don’t forget about the Christian themed and highly successful Chronicles of Narnia and Lord of the Rings series.  

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SuperUltraMegaJamminSage January 22, 2010 at 11:54 am

That’s because the majority of those films are filmed by no talent hacks. The real talents aim toward the liberal audience which includes Christians amongst all other groups, But I think Gibson proved it can be done. It just takes risk, no compromise and talent. He has 2 Oscars to back that up.

RA: Boy, if you are an actress looking to make it in Hollywood on Christian themed movies or shows, you are definitely in the wrong profession. Because lets face it, those are too boring for even Christians to watch.  

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RA January 22, 2010 at 12:48 pm

It takes talent to make any film or show. That’s why there is even a limited amount of good non-religious stuff.

It takes extreme talent to do it with a Christian theme. Mel Gibson was an exception. Attending that movie was a statement made by Christians that they were supporting the film. You had pastors sending their entire congregations there. It was something of a political event. That’s not something that would be repeated over and over.

Most people do not want to see religious accounts filmed. We all know the story and how it goes. Religious themed shows have a very limited audience. It’s dull stuff.

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lukeprog January 22, 2010 at 12:53 pm

I want them to make a Mohammed movie that actually shows Mohammed. Blasphemy!

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Ryan January 22, 2010 at 1:16 pm

Sage,

I find it hilarious that you quote Mel Gibson as an example of how Christians are maligned in Hollywood…seeing as how he is an anti-Semite, who thinks Jews run the business.

On a side note, Disney dropped the Chronicles of Narnia because “Prince Caspian” underperformed at the box office. The financial gurus saw they were going to lose money if they were involved in the next film. It had nothing to do with the film series’ “Christian message.”

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Ryan January 22, 2010 at 1:19 pm

…Citing Disney’s decision to drop the Chronicles of Narnia as being anti-Christian is completely ignoring the fact that they already made two of the Narnia films, the first of which had a beat-you-over-the-head Christian message.

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Lorkas January 22, 2010 at 1:31 pm

It was just a poorly put together docu.Also, I felt his using Darwinism as a cause for the Holocaust was pretty creative.Whether I agree with that, remains to be seen.  

I thought it was rather disgusting. What would you think if I used the tragedy of 9/11 as an argument for the reality of global warming? They are entirely unrelated issues, and trying to exploit the deaths of the 9/11 victims for an argument like that is quite terrible, in my opinion.

The most cursory examination reveals the Darwin-Hitler link to be a complete creationist fabrication. Just do a comparison of the number of times Hitler mentions Darwin or evolution versus the number of times he mentions God or Christianity in Mein Kampf or in any of his famous speeches. It’s obvious to anyone who does their research that Hitler used religion as a motivator, not evolution.

So if Hitler says “God wants us to kill the Jews!” does that mean that Christianity is false? Of course not. So even if Hitler did say “Darwin tells us we should kill the Jews!”, that doesn’t mean that anything Darwin said about natural selection is right or wrong. Hitler didn’t say that, but even if he did it would have nothing to do with the truth or falsity of evolution.

The closest Hitler gets to having any connection to Darwin is that Hitler tried to use artificial selection, a method used by farmers and animal breeders for centuries before Darwin, to improve the human race. No one thinks that animal breeders and farmers are evil, for some reason, even though they are much more closely related to Hitler’s practices than Darwin’s theory of natural selection.

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SuperUltraMegaJamminSage January 22, 2010 at 2:38 pm

I knew someone would say that about Gibson and Disney. Thanks for not letting me down.

Ryan: Sage,I find it hilarious that you quote Mel Gibson as an example of how Christians are maligned in Hollywood…seeing as how he is an anti-Semite, who thinks Jews run the business.On a side note, Disney dropped the Chronicles of Narnia because “Prince Caspian” underperformed at the box office.The financial gurus saw they were going to lose money if they were involved in the next film.It had nothing to do with the film series’ “Christian message.”  

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SuperUltraMegaJamminSage January 22, 2010 at 2:59 pm

If history has taught us anything, is that one thought provoking document can be used for the worst. God says the meek shall inherit the earth and Darwin coined the phrase “natural selection” or “survival of the fittest”. I know he meant more in nature than in man using this to purge implicated lower races, but misinterpretation leads to tragedy. Just as Bible misinterpretations have lead to countless branches throughout Christendom spawning the seeds of doubt throughout the universe. Not that you see that as a bad thing, but I do. Either way, I don’t know if Hitler and the third reich were really inspired by Darwinism. I was at the Holocaust museum in D.C. and don’t remember any literature about it, but it got me thinking and I hope I can find out for sure. Your word is not good enough.

Lorkas:
I thought it was rather disgusting. What would you think if I used the tragedy of 9/11 as an argument for the reality of global warming? They are entirely unrelated issues, and trying to exploit the deaths of the 9/11 victims for an argument like that is quite terrible, in my opinion.The most cursory examination reveals the Darwin-Hitler link to be a complete creationist fabrication. Just do a comparison of the number of times Hitler mentions Darwin or evolution versus the number of times he mentions God or Christianity in Mein Kampf or in any of his famous speeches. It’s obvious to anyone who does their research that Hitler used religion as a motivator, not evolution.So if Hitler says “God wants us to kill the Jews!” does that mean that Christianity is false? Of course not. So even if Hitler did say “Darwin tells us we should kill the Jews!”, that doesn’t mean that anything Darwin said about natural selection is right or wrong. Hitler didn’t say that, but even if he did it would have nothing to do with the truth or falsity of evolution.
The closest Hitler gets to having any connection to Darwin is that Hitler tried to use artificial selection, a method used by farmers and animal breeders for centuries before Darwin, to improve the human race. No one thinks that animal breeders and farmers are evil, for some reason, even though they are much more closely related to Hitler’s practices than Darwin’s theory of natural selection.  

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Beelzebub January 22, 2010 at 3:30 pm

She was not of the body. It is against the will of Landru.

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Lorkas January 22, 2010 at 4:44 pm

SuperUltraMegaJamminSage: God says the meek shall inherit the earth and Darwin coined the phrase “natural selection” or “survival of the fittest”. I know he meant more in nature than in man using this to purge implicated lower races, but misinterpretation leads to tragedy.

The point I was making above is that Hitler tried using artificial selection, while Darwin’s theory was about natural selection. While these both result in evolution, artificial selection has nothing to do with Darwin, and was around a long time before the 1800′s.

Someone might say that Hitler was trying to “help” natural selection, but that’s completely absurd. You can’t, by definition, help natural selection–the moment you do, it ceases being natural and starts being artificial.

SuperUltraMegaJamminSage: Your word is not good enough.

Good. Go read Hitler’s rhetoric in his speeches and his biography, and decide for yourself whether you think his motivations came from his religious delusions (along with a history of European Christians demonizing the Jewish people for the previous 2,000 years) or his position on evolution by natural selection. In fact, much of Hitler’s rhetoric is explicitly anti-evolutionist in tone, like the following quotes:

The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger. – Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. i, ch. xi

For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. – Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. ii, ch. x

And some other quotes show a little more about where Hitler’s motivations were:

My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them. – Adolf Hitler, speech, April 12 1922, published in My New Order

Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people. – Adolf Hitler, Speech, April 26, 1933

Again, I encourage you to go read more, keeping in mind of course that Hitler’s motivations are entirely irrelevant to the truth or falseness of evolution or Christianity.

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Jake de Backer January 23, 2010 at 12:19 am

lukeprog: FOX is considered a ‘bad guy’ by networks with lower ratings, I suppose. Limbaugh is considered a bad guy by people with lower ratings, too.  

Or by anyone with any moral or intellectual sensibilities.

J.

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Ryan January 23, 2010 at 6:00 am

I’m glad I didn’t disappoint. I’ll be glad to continue pointing out the absurdity of some of your comments.

SuperUltraMegaJamminSage: I knew someone would say that about Gibson and Disney.Thanks for not letting me down.
  

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exrelayman January 23, 2010 at 3:00 pm

Beelzebub: Wanted you to know that you made reading through the comments worth my while. Beam me up.

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Beelzebub January 23, 2010 at 3:11 pm

Thanks exrelayman, “Return of the Archons” was wicked satire, as were many of the original Star Trek episodes. Roddenberry was a stealth atheist.

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Opus62 January 27, 2010 at 12:16 pm

I am not sure Roddenberry was a true atheist but he was for sure a secular humanist. Star Trek has always tackled social issues in a wonderfully sneaky manner. The very idea of a black woman as a senior bridge officer was absurd to 1960′s attitudes but he pulled it off beautifully. Up to that point, black women in media were rarely little more than maids and servants.

A great [and sneaky] comment about religion was in a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode entitled The Devil’s Due. Too much to explain here so check it out.

Beelzebub: Thanks exrelayman, “Return of the Archons” was wicked satire, as were many of the original Star Trek episodes. Roddenberry was a stealth atheist.  (Quote)

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