The Vox Day / Lukeprog Letters (index)

by Luke Muehlhauser on November 7, 2009 in Indexes,Letters

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In September 2009, I invited Christian blogger Vox Day, author of The Irrational Atheist, to “a friendly dialogue about the reasons for our beliefs.” Here is an index of the letters we have exchanged so far:

  1. My 1st letter
  2. Vox’s 1st letter
  3. My 2nd letter
  4. Vox’s 2nd letter
  5. My 3rd letter
  6. Vox’s 3rd letter
  7. My 4th letter
  8. Vox’s 4th letter
  9. My 5th letter
  10. Vox’s 5th letter
  11. My 6th letter (reboot)
  12. Vox’s 6th letter
  13. My 7th letter
  14. Vox’s 7th letter
  15. My 8th letter

(more to come)

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Jake de Backer November 8, 2009 at 2:14 am

Maybe it’s the extra percocet I took tonight but I’m inclined to think perhaps miracles do exist. Take, for example, that picture of Vox Luke posted next to his own. That no one has made a single comment about the tool-bag nature of someone requisite to own, much less publish, a picture of themselves in that cock-wielding pose is well, as close to a miracle as I think we’re going to get. When I first saw that picture on Vox’s site (while reading his first response to Luke), it didn’t even register to me as that being a picture of the man who’s borderline coherent essay I was reading. But it’s him. That’s actually him. Incredible. I’m going to do something similar. Same pose and everything but I’m going to be more honest about my perception of myself and name my blog, “Thunder Cock”.

J.

I mean,
T.C.

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Neil C. Reinhardt November 8, 2009 at 4:49 pm

SO, LUKE

Just wondering, why bother arguing with those who are so programmed into their religious belief (As NEARLY ALL religious people are.) they do not even have the slightest clue they are programmed?

Programmed religious people are really no different than a dog programmed to respond to ringing bell or any other well trained animal. Neither the animals, or most religious people know they are programmed.

Yet, as there are many MILLIONS of FORMER religious people who accept the fact, who will even testify that they were programmed into believing into their religion, we KNOW what I said about programming is totally
true.

Their minds are so befuddled by their belief, they either lose the ability to think rationally and logically about it and/or their skills to do are so degraded as to be non functional.

The poor programmed things say lies are not lies and the truth is really lies. They say proven facts which many members to their own religion, members of many other religions as well as MOST non-believers agree are true are not true, And they say all those who disgree with them are irrational when it is they who are the irrational ones.

In general, it is a total waste of time to argue with those who put:

Faith Over Proof, Myth Over Fact, Belief Over Knowledge and Emotion Over Logic.

All of which is what religious people do OVER and OVER again. Most Religious people seem to have no clue had they been raised by a parents who believed in a different religion, they would then be defending that religion instead of the one they are now.

The fact NOT ONE of the hundreds of thousands of religions or the over 25,000 ‘named gods’ have even a single shred of any real proof which a non-programmed person would accept as being factual.

RELIGION IS MYTH INFORMATION!

NEXT: As more than a few Intelligent, Logical, Rational and Critically Thinking Atheists figured out a long time ago, we are BOTH Agnostics AND Atheists at the SAME TIME.

(If this has to be explained, I suggest they get & use a dictionary. Look up the definitions for “‘Know’, ‘Believe’, ‘Agnostic’ and Atheist’”

Then try to think logically about it,. IF you still can’t figure it out, I’m not sure carefully explaining it to you will help.)

IS the following a “Small Thing” Well, YES & NO! To me, it is about Fairness and Equality! It is just an example of many, many examples of where the religious want to, & do, stick it to others.

So, PLEASE JOIN myself & other Atheists in making sure the words ‘Atheist’ and ‘Annostic’ are started with CAPITAL “A” You see, while the names of religions, gods and holy books ALWAYS start with a capital letter, the religious folk like to put us down by any means possible and not capitalizing our words are one of them.

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Lee A. P. November 8, 2009 at 5:39 pm

Jake de Backer: Maybe it’s the extra percocet I took tonight but I’m inclined to think perhaps miracles do exist. Take, for example, that picture of Vox Luke posted next to his own. That no one has made a single comment about the tool-bag nature of someone requisite to own, much less publish, a picture of themselves in that cock-wielding pose is well, as close to a miracle as I think we’re going to get. When I first saw that picture on Vox’s site (while reading his first response to Luke), it didn’t even register to me as that being a picture of the man who’s borderline coherent essay I was reading. But it’s him. That’s actually him. Incredible. I’m going to do something similar. Same pose and everything but I’m going to be more honest about my perception of myself and name my blog, “Thunder Cock”.J.I mean,T.C.  (Quote)

Thunder Cock,

I wait with baited breath to read your blog.

Perhaps that was not the best choice of words.

Vox Day is indeed a primitive female hygiene apparatus. He has C.S. Lewis’ dead penis so far down his throat that if there were a ressurection of the dead, Lewis would have to hunt down Day to retrieve it before judgement day.

He is, as I have said elswhere, a more educated Jerry Fallwell with a fetish for computer geekery and an affinity for certain aspects of pop culture.

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lukeprog November 8, 2009 at 7:56 pm

Neil,

Why should “atheist” and “agnostic” start with a capital letter? Because religions and gods are capitalized? I don’t see you argument…

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Neil C. Reinhardt November 8, 2009 at 10:11 pm

1. As I said before, while it is a SMALL thing, it is about FAIRNESS and EQUALITY.

2. You present part of my argument and then you say ‘you do not’ see it?

3. WHY should they NOT be capitalized when Jew, Christian, Moslem etc. etc. are?

4. Why do you think Webster (Who was a rabid ass Christian) did NOT capitalize them in the first place?

5. I will bet it pisses off a few Christians when they ARE capitalized.

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And Christians piss me off most of the time as they are constantly doing and/or saying stupid things they should not,. Do you know the average taxpayer has been, for many, many years paying over $900 a year in EXTRA taxes in SUPPORT of
religion?

Then there is the ‘god’ BULL SHIT in OUR Pledge and ON MY paper money which were NOT there when I graduated from High School.

Christians CONSTANTLY LIE about the United States being a Christian Country, being founded on Christian principals and founded by Christians.

LIES, LIES, LIES AND MORE LIES!

There is also the terrible way they treat known Atheists in & out of the military! Since you are young as well as being basicly a “new” AtheistI doubt you know MOST Americans who ARE Atheists DO NOT, DUE TO FEAR, make it publicly known they ARE Atheists.

Some are SO AFRAID, they do not even let their OWN families and friends know what they really think of religion. Now while some UNINFORMED Atheists will disagree with me, they only prove they are IGNORANT of the facts!

I could go on and on for pages and pages about the many ways and reasons many to most Christians really piss me off.

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6. NOT Capitalizing them IS just another way believers attempt to minimize non-believers.

7. Last, as I said before in an email to you, you really have NO Intelligent, Logical or Rational reason to NOT capitalize them.

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Jeff H November 9, 2009 at 4:09 pm

Neil, we can chalk this up to difference of opinion I suppose, but I’d rather not see agnosticism and atheism capitalized. It seems to equate it with a religion or organized system of thought, although I really don’t know why that is, to be honest. I suppose capitalizing words seems to make them into more of “proper nouns” that refer to something more specific. But atheism is not an organized belief system, just a stance on one particular issue – the issue of the existence of gods. If you want to capitalize Secular Humanism or something like that, I’d be up for that. But I think atheism gets connected with “just another religion” enough as it is…

Mind you, let me add that I do see your point. I definitely acknowledge that having atheism seen as a legitimate concept is definitely a good thing…I just don’t particularly like the idea of it being equated with religion.

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Scott Scheule November 9, 2009 at 6:36 pm

Perhaps demands of fairness will net you a capitalized atheist and agnostic — though I think Eric Hoffer basically gave the reason why I’d prefer it in lowercase: “The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not.”

But, let us postulate that they should be capitalized nonetheless — that still doesn’t come anywhere close to justifying the degree of majuscules in Neil’s note.

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