The Irrational Atheist (notes in the margin, index)

by Luke Muehlhauser on November 13, 2009 in Indexes,Resources

irrational atheistThis is an index for my “notes in the margin” posts concerning Vox Day’s The Irrational Atheist.

  1. Part 1
  2. Part 2 (the case against science)
  3. Part 3

(more to come)

Deacon Duncan at Evangelical Realism did a far more comprehensive review of The Irrational Atheist, in a whopping 56 parts: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56.

(Duncan is a “pantheistic realist,” which is what I would call an “atheist,” I think.)

Note: While blogging through The Irrational Atheist, my purpose is to look mostly for points of agreement. Duncan’s purpose seems to have been to look for points of disagreement. Whereas I couldn’t bother myself responding to the hundreds and hundreds of things in The Irrational Atheist I disagreed with, Duncan did.

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Beelzebub November 13, 2009 at 1:51 pm

VD may have a good point here and there, but Mein Kampf no doubt had a good point here and there as well– which is not to compare Vox Day to Hitler (heh). What Duncan does so effectively is to expose VD’s loose associations and distortions and agenda very clearly — so effectively, in fact, that VD, who has probably read and reread every post, still denies that anyone has made a complete rebuttal to his miserable little book. Clear case of denial.

VD was outraged by a series of impassioned and sometimes viscerally compelling books and wrote one in turn, and his has AT LEAST as many errors as its progenitors. End of story.

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Beelzebub November 13, 2009 at 2:42 pm

btw — thanks for indexing those posts on ER. Also, while I agree that your intent might be a valid one in principle, I note that you haven’t actually agreed to any explicit point raised in TIA yet; you’ve only voiced approval to statements like “I intend to defend those who are now being misled into doubting their faith… on the basis of the fraudulent, error-filled writings of [Dawkins, Hitchens, and Harris].”

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Bill Maher November 13, 2009 at 2:44 pm

Beezlebub, I would argue Hitler had a much healthier opinion of women. :-)

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John Quincy Public November 13, 2009 at 5:50 pm

Beelzebub: so effectively, in fact, that VD, who has probably read and reread every post, still denies that anyone has made a complete rebuttal to his miserable little book.

It’d be interesting to know one way or the other.

Luke: I’ll second Beezle, thanks for the linkfest.

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John Quincy Public November 13, 2009 at 6:28 pm

Meh. Deacon Duncan is good with the polemic and short in the logic. Good read for believers though; you’ll enjoy it Beez

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Munjaros November 13, 2009 at 7:17 pm

It is interesting that Vox Day has not (as far as I’ve been able to find) addressed or even acknowledged Deacon Duncan’s analysis of his book, other than one post when Deacon had just started into it.

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Lee A. P. November 13, 2009 at 7:50 pm

Wow. Vox Day is a godamned tool of an unfathomable level.

In the following passage of TIA he apparently takes serious Christian inspiration from former boxer Evander Holyfield:

“Not long after I became a Christian, I watched Evander Holyfield walk fearlessly into the ring to meet Iron Mike Tyson, singing “Glory to Glory” and clearly unafraid of the terrible beating every boxing expert was sure he was about to receive. Like millions of fight fans, I watched Holyfield’s confident demeanor before the opening bell with fascination. It wasn’t his unexpected victory, but his entrance that made me want to understand the boldness exemplified by the faithful warrior that night.”

Where do I start? Tyson, listed at 5’11 was always a smaller heavyweight, a shrimp closer to 5’10. He fought in Cus D’amatos “peek-a-boo” style, a style that does not bode well for a fighter very long. It is difficult to employ that style into ones 30s. The guy was past his fierce prime, had a long prison layoff and when he returned he fought a series of bums before fighting Holyfield.

Holyfield, the Christian, has fathered 9 children, by 5 different women.

Holyfield, the Christian, claimed in the mid 90s to have been healed of a heart ailment that had once seriously threatened his career, by Benny fucking Hinn. It turned out that the guy has been an avid user of performance enhacing drugs for many years. His heart ailment was consistent with the use of these agents. He apparently changed his regimend and got with some better PED experts.

It helps to understand that Holyfield was a small heavyweight himself. He made his name in the cruiseweight division and apparently, through the use of steriods and HGH, bulked himself up to the heavyweight level. The before and after photos are stunning.

Holyfield is a known, vicious head-butter and notorious fouler. It is the excuse Tyson gave for biting him. Headbutts in both fights “blacked out” Tyson, allegedly (according to Tyson). (One can see the replays. Holyfiel indeed nearly knocke Tyson out with head butts. They were always eeme “unintentional).

One may be properly skeptical of Tysons claims. However, in a title bout with former Lennox Lewis conquorer Hasim Rahman, the fight had to be stopped due to one of Holyfields famous headbutts.

Check out the following pic. Holyfield impregnated Hasim’s head with his most effective weapon.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/boxing/news/2002/06/01/rahman_holyfield_ap/lg_rahman_all.jpg

Holyfield is one of the biggest frauds in boxing history and this is saying a lot. This is a sport ruled by vile gangsters, former murderous promoters, and corrupt sanctioning bodies.

Holyfield is a liar, a cheater, a philanderer and a serial impregnator. But the guy says “Jesus” a lot, claims to have been healed by an infamous fraud televagelist and has been using performance enhacing drugs for years.

But wait, Holyfield talked about Jesus a lot and sung gospel songs on his way to the ring! And he beat Mike Tyson, a man who had been exposed years earlier by Buster Douglas, out of jail, past his prime, mentally unstable, with notoriously poor training habits since the 1988 firing of his trainer, Kevin Rooney, who was the last link to his beloved Cus D’Amato.

Christ. This is the a guy who peaked “Vox Day’s” curiousity about Christianity an eventually convinced him to take Jebus as his magical best super-friend? A degenerate fraud of a boxer who said “Jesus” a lot, abused steriods, head-butted excessively and was healed by Benny Hinn?

Pathetic.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/02/28/holyfield/index.html

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Lee A. P. November 13, 2009 at 8:10 pm

I see that Vox Day was already a Christian at the point he was brought to sexual excitement by Evaner Holyfield’s Christ inspired entrance and demeanor in the 1st Tyson fight. Please excuse my fallicious inconsistancy.

I will say though, it is just so telling to me, these examples he uses.

Also, Holyfield apparently fathered 9 children by SEVEN different women, not 5 as I reported in the earlier post. Again, please excuse my fallciousness. And please pray to the baby Jesus for my soul.

Perhaps Holyfields fidelity problems lead to Yahweah causing him to lose 2 fights to Riddick Bowe in the early 90s. We all know God has his hands in the outcome of professional sporting events.

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Beelzebub November 14, 2009 at 1:53 am

John Quincy Public: Meh.Deacon Duncan is good with the polemic and short in the logic.Good read for believers though; you’ll enjoy it Beez  

Wow JQP, you read all 57 posts in a few hours. Amazing.

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Ben November 14, 2009 at 2:21 am

Your two reviews together should make a well rounded collective approach. Good show.

Ben

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John Quincy Public November 14, 2009 at 12:02 pm

Beelzebub: Wow JQP, you read all 57 posts in a few hours. Amazing.

The first quarter or so in roughly the same fraction of an hour. He’s got a very good voice in text, no doubt. He’s just pulling up very short in the logic department. They are good polemics; I must simply hoping for something more substantive.

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Taranu November 15, 2009 at 3:41 am

Luke, where is part 29?

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lukeprog November 15, 2009 at 3:57 pm

D’oh! I miscounted.

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Wayne Essel November 17, 2009 at 10:42 am

I’d be willing to bet that Vox Day is a pen name. It is very similar to Vox Dei, which is latin for “the voice of God”.

Regards,

Wayne

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lukeprog November 17, 2009 at 4:06 pm

Wayne,

Vox’s real name is Theodore Beale.

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Munjaros November 22, 2009 at 9:07 am

Having reached part 49, I see, in the comments, that Vox came up with an excuse to back out of his offer to respond to Deacon.

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