The Deconversion of TheraminTrees

by Luke Muehlhauser on December 30, 2009 in Video

TheraminTrees’ well-told deconversion story:

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urbster1 December 30, 2009 at 9:58 am

Speaking of deconversion stories, I hope you’ll be able to feature Evid3nc3‘s well-told deconversion story when all the parts are finished.

This one is also pretty cool.

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lukeprog December 30, 2009 at 10:43 am

urbster1,

Yeah, I’m waiting for him to finish that.

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BathTub December 30, 2009 at 6:16 pm

Yeah Evid3nc3 is putting together a fantastic series.

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Scott December 30, 2009 at 6:19 pm

His brother Qualia Soup has awesome youtube videos, too. I download every one of them to show my friends.

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Neil C. Reinhardt December 30, 2009 at 7:14 pm

De-Conversion Stories

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http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml9663.htm

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More De-Conversion Stories

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http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml8453.htm

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Below is a link to an article about “Why do people become Atheists?”

While this author is sure many. to most, people’s stories are roughly similar to his, not all are.

(The stories in the link below are presented verbatim, and some of them include strong language.)
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http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/why_become.html

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lukeprog December 30, 2009 at 7:26 pm

Yeah, I recently featured Qualia Soup’s ‘critical thinking’ video.

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lukeprog December 30, 2009 at 7:40 pm

Thanks for the links, Neil.

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Mark December 30, 2009 at 10:06 pm

I stopped watching evid3nc3′s story when he said he thought God was leading him to a career in science, thinking, and technology–and lost faith when he started bombing a statistics class. Come on guys, really?

God is not found in statistics, probability, and technology. He is found in the hearts of HUMAN BEINGS.

How can you ever even begin to comprehend God when you are so enamored with the IDEA of God that you can’t even maintain a relationship with someone?

I think these stories are very sad. How could his parents raise him to be such a zombie? As hardcore as we are about our beliefs, my wife and I do not force our religion on our kids. We treat them like dignified human beings and allow them to experience life from both a secular and Christian standpoint. We don’t shelter them, we don’t force our beliefs on them. Yes, they go to church with us, but we allow them to share their criticisms and thoughts freely without censorship. We fully accept they may choose to not believe as young adults.

My parents were the same way growing up. They gave me a long leash. I almost hung myself with it, but in the end I knew which life I wanted, and I chose the Christian life. But that was the key, I was free to choose. I think many CTA’s that were raised in evangelical households never had a choice. They had Christianity forced down their throats as kids, and vomited it up as adults. I see this same story over and over and over.

I can’t say I blame a lot of you for deconverting. I probably would have too had my parents forced me to serve God as a child.

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Michael Thackray December 30, 2009 at 10:49 pm

Hey Luke,

Is there any website that lists the deconversion stories of more influential people?

If not, I recommend you put together one :)

Regards,

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EvanT December 31, 2009 at 4:23 am

Nice story, Theramin Tree’s. More or less like mine. I was shocked into deconversion when I realized that religion made me automatically agree with all its claims, before I could process if I actually agreed or not (rereading once posts on blogs can have that effect; “Why the hell did I write that? I don’t agree with that!!”).

Mark:

I stopped watching evid3nc3’s story when he said he thought God was leading him to a career in science, thinking, and technology–and lost faith when he started bombing a statistics class. Come on guys, really?

How can you claim what was in his heart? You can’t. Seems you’re not a Calvinist though. A Calvinist would have no problem with that statement (that God showed him the exit door on purpose)

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Sabio Lantz December 31, 2009 at 4:56 am

Theramin is brilliant of course, and these videos are fantastic. They point to wonderful psychological models to help visualize one’s transitions and perhaps buffer the pain.

But I would add a few points:

(1) I think we have many selves and thus many “congruences” (in his model — Rogers’). For those not as analytic or focused as this fellow. They may feel these many selves and thus this model may not help. But I think understanding these many selves helps those sorts of folks.

(2) He states, “Having never experienced God myself.”
But lots of us have experienced God and thus struggle is different. For the shaman-disposed, delusional believers, who have experience God, our journey out of Christianity is very different than his. For us, understanding the nature of our minds and perception are as important as understanding the logic of theological arguments.

Thanx for the videos

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Sabio Lantz December 31, 2009 at 4:57 am

Ooops, darn, forgot the button: Yep, I want to follow this thread. Cheers !

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lukeprog December 31, 2009 at 7:19 am

Michael,

50 Voices of Disbelief is kind of what you’re looking for.

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