Top 15 Christian Fundamentalist Quotes of This Week

by Luke Muehlhauser on June 20, 2010 in Funny,Quotes

This week, my favorite quotes from Christian fundamentalists on message boards are:

im christian
if we came from apes
how come were not hairy and have a big mouth
and did we end up looking like we do know
and besides
there isnt any serious proof of apes
they showd a video saying an ape was wondering around in the forest
that thing looked exactly like a costume that i had saw at a store
know one ever cought an ape

(by luv4cs)

My concern for level of pain of rape would be greater if it weren’t for the fact that most American women deserve to raped because they oppose prostitution as a sexual outlet for men. Since they deserve to raped, I cannot concern myself with the pain rape causes them.

(by fschmidt)

Leviathon is a spirit I have battled as well. It was a hard battle but was won. It was about four months or more ago. My wife and I were in McDonalds and were having a conversation with an angel and Leviathon had come up. I told the angel that i wanted to fight this demon and he said I could. On the way back to the hotel I asked the angel if he could bring the demon to a predestinated place and he said yes. I figured that since Leviathon was from the depths of the sea he would be used to the cold water so I filled the tub up with scalding hot water and blessed the water. The angels (there were two now) brought Leviathon bound to the tub and fought with me. We all pulled our swords from our hips and began running this demon through with all my strength and everything I had. I would say it took atleast half an hour or more. We were all spent but the battle was won.

(by nautical999)

No, God’s Penis is not a biological organ. I never said God’s Penis was the same as man’s penis. Obviously it wouldn’t be. That is why I pointed out God has a Holy, Righteous Penis. That is to say, it’s not the same as man’s corrupted, fleshy one.

As I said when this subject first came up, once again: Penises are not just for sex & peeing. It is only because man is evil that he thinks of penises exclusively in those terms.

Man is made in the image of God the Father. That is the primary reason why man has a penis.

You cannot insert your evil prejudicial ideas of man’s penis onto God – which is exactly what you are doing. God’s Penis is not equal to man’s penis. It’s really not hard to understand.

(by Navaros)

Yes sex at six can cause psychological damage. But thats only in rare occasions. Most girls are fine. Thats a scientific fact.

(by ahmed2010)

“A recent survey shows 85 percent of rapes and molestation are reenactments of a porn video/DVD. This means every time someone buys a smut video/DVD there is an 85 percent chance that sale will eventually result in a rape or molestation of a child.”

(by The Uniontown Protestors)

Climate Change is a religion and it’s holy sacrament is Abortion.

(by 4timedad)

When you play with fire, there is a 50/50 chance something will go wrong, and nine times out of ten it does.

(by June Swenson)

Forcing a wife to have sex is not rape as her body already belongs to her husband.

(by nick)

Eating fetuses is MURDER & CANNIBALISM. This is one reason why abortion should be banned. People will probably eat fetuses when abortion is made legal.

(by Karl)

How do Atheists explain the Solar System?
why do all the planets revolve around the Sun? is that just an accident or do all the planets have their own minds and know they must do it for us people on Earth. i mean, theirs no other explanation. Scientists cannot explain this at all. it is cleary designed for all the planets to revolve the light. if not then your saying one day the Earth can decide to stop and not revolve. if nothing controlling it whats stopping it from doing whatever else it feels like.

(by Jona * D)

1. If the Bible were not true, logic would not be meaningful.
2. Logic is meaningful.
3. Therefore, the Bible is true.

(by Dr. Jason Lisle)

I said I believe that to end the terrorist attacks, you need to kill ALL MUSLIMS. Which part of that was “cryptic” to you? Which one of those two words did you misunderstand?

(by Gonzo67)

I have always been afraid of Muslims. I remember the last time I flew (in ’89 I think) I was on the plane and 2 men were sitting I think across the aisle talking in a foreign language. I was terrified that they were hijackers, and I was almost in tears the whole flight. In retrospect I think they may have been speaking French. But it was so scary for me at the time….

(by RHCCapri)

One of Lady Gaga’s songs on YouTube has drawn 223,934,322 hits (as of Thursday, 06-10-10). That’s getting close to one hit for every American citizen. How has such a “success” occurred? Only Satan can give that widespread recognition of the world to one person.

(by Joseph Chambers)

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Razm June 20, 2010 at 8:41 am

Oh my goodness.

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Will June 20, 2010 at 8:47 am

That one about gods penis really cleared things up for me. I always had wondered how the Lord got Mary preggers.
*sarcasm

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Drj June 20, 2010 at 8:55 am

Some of those have to be poe’s… Have to be… I hope.

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Lorkas June 20, 2010 at 9:01 am

“1. If the Bible were not true, logic would not be meaningful.
2. Logic is meaningful.
3. Therefore, the Bible is true.”

Good thing modus tollens isn’t a valid argument form :P

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cl June 20, 2010 at 9:41 am

How does somebody too pressed with time constraints to give a coherent defense of desirism manage to carve out enough time for such a stupid post?

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Justfinethanks June 20, 2010 at 10:04 am

How does somebody too pressed with time constraints to give a coherent defense of desirism manage to carve out enough time for such a stupid post?

Yeah, Luke! How do you find the time to hit copy and paste 15 times? The time, thought, and effort required to do that is certainly comparable to time required to construct a rigorous defense of an ethical theory.

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Justfinethanks June 20, 2010 at 10:12 am

That is why I pointed out God has a Holy, Righteous Penis. That is to say, it’s not the same as man’s corrupted, fleshy one.

This is clearly cribbed from Thomas Aquinas’ little known treatise “On the Nature of God’s Wang.”

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Ajay June 20, 2010 at 10:24 am

Oh this is lovely! I hope someday in the future my wife and I speak to an angel while eating Big Macs at McDonald’s.

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ConsiderAtheism June 20, 2010 at 10:28 am

I like how he capitalized penis. Thinking about it made me laugh, a lot. But in all seriousness, I REALLY hope that they were all trolls. Nobody can be that stupid, can they?

Don’t listen to the people above you, one of the reasons why I come here is because of its humour factor.

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Rob June 20, 2010 at 10:44 am

The discussion about the nature of the Divine Penis reminded me of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/user/philhellenes#p/u/72/CDFkvnZkQzg

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Hermes June 20, 2010 at 10:47 am

I like how he capitalized penis.

Well, it is His Most High Holy Penis not just some wanker’s willie. Consider it title inflation, like so many other religious terms.

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Hermes June 20, 2010 at 10:49 am

Ajay, there’s the stub of a psychopath novel there. Let’s hope the original writer didn’t strangle a cat in that tub or some hapless human like a fry cook on a smoke break.

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Hermes June 20, 2010 at 10:54 am

Cl: manage to carve out enough time for such a stupid post?

Clicky: Fundies say the darndest things!

Two minutes in the top 100 would generate plenty for a short list of 15.

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Justfinethanks June 20, 2010 at 10:57 am

Here’s a theological quandry: is God’s little God cut or uncut? If it’s cut, then it seems to conflict with this idea that our wangs are made in the image of God’s wang, as circumcision is of course a surgery done after birth. It’s uncut, then Yaweh’s insistence on circumcision seems a bit hypocritical.

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Bill Maher June 20, 2010 at 11:39 am

LOL at Cl’s butt hurt-ness.

“Climate Change is a religion and it’s holy sacrament is Abortion.”

is this a Sean Hannity quote?

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Jeff H June 20, 2010 at 11:59 am

That angel and Leviathan story is just ridiculous. Everyone knows that McDonalds is from Satan and that an angel wouldn’t be caught dead in there…

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Silas June 20, 2010 at 12:02 pm

“God’s penis is uncaused, beginningless, changeless, immaterial, timeless, spaceless, and enormously powerful. Run and hide!” – William Lane Craig

Well, I think Bill said something like that…

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noen June 20, 2010 at 12:34 pm

From your link:

(In a multi-post rant on why and how all religion should be eradicated in discussion of a fundie atheist quote:)

Histories greatest minds have always known that it is us and them, and that for everyone’s overall saftey and wellbeing, it is us that needs to be in control. They do not have the capability to sustain themselves in a civilized manner for any great period of time. Their minds are simply not capable of it. They will never simply ease into an efficient system, they will always put base survival first, conjuring up the supernatural as explainations for things that they find no time to explain. They need us to control them. However, no animal likes to be caged. So what did we do? We used force. We forced them to see that they needed our guiding hand. And when they did see that they would flourish under our guidance, they accepted us as their rulers, and went straight back to not caring. So it is throughout history.

It seems that theists don’t have the market on authoritarian reactionary politics cornered. Atheists are doing just fine in that regard.

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anon June 20, 2010 at 1:00 pm

CL,

“How does somebody too pressed with time constraints to give a coherent defense of desirism manage to carve out enough time for such a stupid post?”

Every single time Luke posts you bring up desirism even if the post has nothing to do with it. This seems weird to me.

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ConsiderAtheism June 20, 2010 at 1:14 pm

Every single time Luke posts you bring up desirism even if the post has nothing to do with it. This seems weird to me.

It’s not that weird, he just enjoys those posts the most me thinks. But I still see no point in complaining that this post isn’t about desirism :/.

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ConsiderAtheism June 20, 2010 at 1:19 pm

1. If the Bible were not true, logic would not be meaningful.
2. Logic is meaningful.
3. Therefore, the Bible is true.

The funny thing is is that this is pretty much WLC’s moral argument.

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Arda June 20, 2010 at 1:35 pm

Hi Luke,

I really enjoy your blog and listening to your podcasts…thanks for all you do. I have a request though–when you post things like this, and you have fundies saying some pretty ignorant and malicious things about women who have been raped or sexually abused, could you put”Trigger Warning: Sexual Violence” or something in the title, or at the top of your post?

For women who have experienced sexual assault, reading some of the comments could trigger flashbacks or really painful memories. It may be especially triggering or difficult if a woman sought comfort or refuge from a religious community after her assault and was instead condemned. By the time a reader realizes that she is reading something that might trigger her, it is often too late. Please take this suggestion into consideration. Women who are trying to recover from the trauma of sexual violence have a hard enough time dealing with the “rape culture” in live, providing them with a warning that they’re about to read something that might be triggering isn’t that difficult and it makes a huge difference.

Thanks again for all you do!

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Hermes June 20, 2010 at 2:08 pm

Jeff H: That angel and Leviathan story is just ridiculous. Everyone knows that McDonalds is from Satan and that an angel wouldn’t be caught dead in there…

Well, maybe they were there to encourage eating habits to rush the whole process along? That said, everyone knows that Jesus, God, angels, prophets — hell, even undead apostles — go to Mooby’s.

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Cafeeine June 20, 2010 at 4:36 pm

Unfortunately Navaros (the Penis guy) is not a troll, I’ve seen several (too many) postings by him over the years. He frequents various movie boards on imdb.

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JS Allen June 20, 2010 at 5:28 pm

This is too awesome; I think I cramped a gut muscle from laughing!

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lukeprog June 20, 2010 at 6:44 pm

cl,

This post took me 10 minutes to write. Giving the account from philosophy of language to desirism would take thousands of hours.

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nate June 20, 2010 at 7:03 pm

Some of these posts are pretty obviously trolls. That one about battling demons is fake, right? There aren’t really people like that, are there?

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Hermes June 20, 2010 at 7:33 pm

Nate, Poe.

Poe, Nate.

Poe’s Law points out that it is hard to tell parodies of fundamentalism (or, more generally, any crackpot theory) from the real thing, since they both seem equally insane. Conversely, real fundamentalism can easily be mistaken for a parody of fundamentalism.

While I’d bet a few of the top 100 are fake, I would be surprised if it rises above 5%. Some people compete for being that much more bat-shit crazy than the other people out there. Some of those reactions are a defense mechanism. (Consider the anti-gay activists that are so strident they are almost comic book villains, yet are caught performing sexual acts with someone of the same sex.)

Many, though, I would suspect are entirely in earnest. It would be interesting to see someone do a survey and figure out how many are actually fake, how many are probably covering up, and how many are just that nuts.

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noen June 20, 2010 at 8:03 pm

Arda
“could you put”Trigger Warning: Sexual Violence” or something in the title, or at the top of your post? [...] For women who have experienced sexual assault, reading some of the comments could trigger flashbacks or really painful memories.”

You are responsible for your triggers. Others are not responsible for you. You are expected to deal with your own issues on your own like any adult would. It is not appropriate to ask that others care for or manage your emotions for you.

That is the first lesson anyone should learn in their path to recovery Arda. It is very important that you learn this or you’ll not recover well at all. Hope you understand that.

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Almost Chris June 20, 2010 at 8:38 pm

I really want to think that most of these are trolls. They seem to be worded to particularly provoke dumbfounded-ness. The guy afraid to fly seems especially fake by knowingly making himself look foolish.

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Arda June 20, 2010 at 10:20 pm

Noen,

Posting trigger warnings is not being responsible for other people’s issues. It is not asking anyone to manage another person’s emotions. People who are recovering from traumatic experiences are well aware of what might be triggering to them and attempt to avoid triggering things so that they can recover. And they choose what websites to read when based on what they think they can emotionally deal with at a particular time. An atheism blog is something that most would presume to be safe. Warning readers that a particular post is not safe enables them to take responsibility for their mental and emotional health and skip over it, until such time as they think they can deal with it.

Posting trigger warnings is generally understood to be common courtesy–not babying victims, not being responsible for other people’s feelings. Just recognizing the immense pain that people have gone through and being mindful and respectful. It is a common practice on the internet–at least on the blogs I read. I’m guessing the fundies quoted above don’t post trigger warnings, haha.

Anyway, thanks for your concern, but I have recovered–and I did it with the help of people who were kind enough to warn their readers before posting material of this sort.

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Arda June 20, 2010 at 10:38 pm

Hhere is a post explaining why people post trigger warnings. (http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2010/04/i-write-letters_13.html)

In a nutshell, “We provide trigger warnings because it’s polite, because we don’t want to be the asshole who triggered a survivor of sexual assault because of carelessness or laziness or ignorance.”

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Rabbitpirate June 21, 2010 at 1:09 am

Am I the only one who thinks that the nautical999 comment sounds just a little bit, well, kinky? Freud would have had a field day with the imagery in that one.

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Rabbitpirate June 21, 2010 at 1:15 am

When I read that comment about having sex at six I was confused because I couldn’t work out why having sex at six o’clock would ever cause psychological damage. It took me a moment to get what he was talking about, my mind just didn’t go there naturally.

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Hermes June 21, 2010 at 2:07 am

Arda, thanks for your insights on trigger warnings. They make sense of the lead-in often accompanying articles and stories. I’ll keep them in mind in general as many topics could trigger bad memories.

For what it’s worth, there are some promising studies on reducing PTSD (“a.k.a. shell shock”) and other mental traumas including assaults.

Radiolab: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Rat (2007)

More recent ethical discussions and some clinical details …

http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/neuro/memory_drugs_sd.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/news/2010/03/100325_erasing_memories_hs.shtml (audio)

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Wade June 21, 2010 at 5:00 am

Arda, that would open the door for anyone to complain about writing anything about any traumatic event. Soldiers could complain about writing about war, as it triggers flashbacks. A person who has been molested by priests could ask for a trigger warning about priest molestation stories. While I would never think to trivialize someone’s trauma, I agree with the poster above, you are an adult in the real world, you alone are responsible for your triggers. You, I or anyone else cannot expect others to bubble wrap the entire world for us.

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Wade June 21, 2010 at 5:15 am

Wow, it was noen that said that, may be the only time I’ve ever agreed with anything he’s posted ever.

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noen June 21, 2010 at 7:05 am

Arda
Posting trigger warnings is not being responsible for other people’s issues. It is not asking anyone to manage another person’s emotions. People who are recovering from traumatic experiences are well aware of what might be triggering to them and attempt to avoid triggering things so that they can recover.

Yes, I understand that is what you believe. You are mistaken however. Recovery consists in systematic desensitization from past trauma. For example, people who are deathly afraid of flying are taught to confront their fears while simultaneously they’re taught how to tolerate their distress.

The same is true for alcoholics in recovery. It would be just as inappropriate, and for the same reasons, for an alcoholic to demand that the people around him/her stop drinking or not have their booze openly available. They must learn how to cope in normal society or they do not fully recover. Alcoholics who’s friends shelter them from their own moderate use do them no favors. By sheltering their alcoholic friends they cause them harm.

I do not wish to cause you harm.

Posting trigger warnings is generally understood to be common courtesy–not babying victims, not being responsible for other people’s feelings.

I’ve been in abuse recovery, I know what I’m talking about. It may be generally understood by you but you are mistaken. If you join a recovery group, something that I’d recommend highly, you’ll discover that, to the contrary, what you need to do is to learn to manage your distress.

I know that the feminist blogs have this policy, I disagree with it. Though posting a warning of images that are NSFW or otherwise explicit is good, too much is not.

I have recovered–and I did it with the help of people who were kind enough to warn their readers before posting material of this sort.

If you still need training wheels you really haven’t learned how to ride. Your friends at Shakesville and Feministe and other feminist blogs are not really helping you as much as you think. They have formed a safe, gauzy cocoon in which some can feel protected but that’s a bit of an illusion. Once you leave the cocoon everything is still just as raw as it ever was.

I would highly urge you, if you’ve not already, to find a therapist who is trained in either Dialectical Behavioral therapy (DBT) or Cognative Behavioral therapy (CBT). Through DBT you will be taught how to manage your distress so that you will be free of your cocoon. Wouldn’t that be nice? The healing is out there if you ask for it.

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cl June 21, 2010 at 10:26 am

Justfinethanks,

Yeah, Luke! How do you find the time to hit copy and paste 15 times? The time, thought, and effort required to do that is certainly comparable to time required to construct a rigorous defense of an ethical theory.

Ha ha, mock away, I’ll wear the clown suit. Seriously though, I think my point fell on deaf ears. That point is simple: good philosophy has more value than making fun of people. I get that there will always be those immature humans who get a rise off insulting others, but there is little to no value in posts like these, IMHO. They simply add fuel to the culture wars.

Bill Maher,

LOL at Cl’s butt hurt-ness.

It’s not so much “butt hurt-ness” as wondering – other than mocking / insulting others – what reasons exist for such a stupid post? If those weren’t trolls, don’t we all already know what irrational lunacy people are capable of? I mean, this sort of post is perfect for PZ’s blog, but for somebody like Luke, it seems out-of-place.

anon,

Every single time Luke posts you bring up desirism even if the post has nothing to do with it. This seems weird to me.

No, I do not bring up desirism “every single time” Luke posts. See Common Sense Atheism: Index on my own blog if you want to lose the rhetorical device and get better informed.

ConsiderAtheism,

But I still see no point in complaining that this post isn’t about desirism.

I’m not “complaining that this post isn’t about desirism.” I’m expressing frustration that Luke consistently appeals to “I don’t have enough time to answer your questions about desirism,” then answers tmp’s and writes post like these. It’s no big deal. I’m not pissed-off or anything, just trying to resolve the discrepancy between what Luke says and what I see.

Luke,

This post took me 10 minutes to write. Giving the account from philosophy of language to desirism would take thousands of hours.

Spare the exaggeration. Nobody’s asking for the account from philosophy of language that would take thousands of hours, at least, not that I recall.

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Arda June 21, 2010 at 11:36 am

Noen,

You have made a lot of assumptions about me, what I have and have not done, and what I have and have not read. Let me take a moment to correct them.

1) I was not personally triggered by the above post. I commented out of concern for others. I AM recovered. You do not know me, you do not know my mental and emotional state. You do not know what I have been through and have done or not done for myself. I told you absolutely nothing about myself in the first post, except that I like this blog and the podcasts, and that I am concerned for victims of sexual violence. You then assumed that I was a victim of sexual assault and that I was triggered. In my second post, I confirmed that I am a survivor. I then linked to a feminist blog. That’s all the information about me that you have. Don’t tell me I’m not recovered, unless you have far more information about me than I have provided in the posts above.

2) I have gone to groups for survivors of sexual assault and participated in therapy and recovery. And you know what? People shared their stories. They shared very triggering stories. BUT before that began, we made sure that everyone in the room was ready. We never asked someone not to share their story, but before they did–we gave women who felt that they might not be capable of fending off a panic attack at this moment a chance to express that and go talk with someone one-on-one, or in a group, for their own safety.

3) I read A LOT of literature on how to best recover. That’s the way I deal with things, I read. After being raped, I went and I found books by psychologists who specialize in helping people deal with trauma and I read them all. They didn’t always agree. I read literature that argues, as you do, that the “real world” doesn’t come with trigger warnings, so people just have to be strong enough to deal with their own emotions. And I have read material that says–that’s all true, but it’s a process and at different points in the process, survivors need different tools to aid in their recovery. And you know, it isn’t that difficult to post a trigger warning, to give someone another tool. I understand your perspective, but it’s not the only one–and I don’t think it is the most helpful one to survivors of sexual assault. People are different and recover differently–some people might chose not to use tools, some people might chose to use them. Just because life doesn’t come with trigger warnings doesn’t mean that some victims might not find temporary respite useful.

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Now, on the argument, “if we do it for one group, we have to do it for everyone.” I understand and respect that argument far more than I respect “it’s not going to help them in recovery.”

Before being raped, I was diagnosed with PTSD, stemming from things I had been taught about the rapture and the end times as I child. When I read the book of Revelation for a class at school, I had flashbacks and massive panic attacks. I saw the world around me engulfed in fire. I saw rivers running with blood. I was a little girl hiding in her bedroom, because she thought her parents had been raptured and someone was going to come find her and demanded that she take the mark of the beast. I have also recovered from this, noen, if you care to know.

I don’t ask anyone to post trigger warnings for things related to crazy endtimes theology. Because then, I think, people would have to post trigger warnings tailored to each individual, which is an insane request. But to ask people to recognize the existence of large groups of people–be they vets or survivors of sexual assault–seems a little different.

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Hermes June 21, 2010 at 11:59 am

Arda, I hesitated in warning you about Noen but I was selfish and did not want to read the latest nonsense of Noen just to affirm that a warning was appropriate. For that, I apologize.

For what it’s worth, Noen frequently gets things wrong about other people and reality in general. I don’t think Noen is a troll, but the impression I get is that they are either very inexperienced or unaware of how little they know.

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al friedlander June 21, 2010 at 1:31 pm

Wow, I guess I never put 2-and-2 together. Rape can trigger panic disorder?

Ouch; that sounds terrible…

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TV's Mr. Neil June 22, 2010 at 6:56 am

“When you play with fire, there is a 50/50 chance something will go wrong, and nine times out of ten it does.”

Yogi Berra would be proud.

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TV's Mr. Neil June 22, 2010 at 6:58 am

Oh my goodness. And only two quotes later…

“How do Atheists explain the Solar System?why do all the planets revolve around the Sun?”

GRAVITY!!!!!

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fschmidt June 22, 2010 at 8:04 am

I was quoted here and I just want to point out that I am not a Christian fundamentalist. I am an Atheist.

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Hermes June 22, 2010 at 8:24 am

Bad troll trolls badly.

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lukeprog June 22, 2010 at 9:33 am

fschmidt,

Were you sincere in what you wrote, quoted above?

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Hermes June 22, 2010 at 10:12 am

Luke, do a check of the IP address against known visitors and I suspect you will find someone is joking with you.

FWIW, tracking back to the source of the original quote and searching on that user name plus the word atheist, I get the following;

http://www.ministeringdeliverance.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3276&highlight=atheist

http://www.ministeringdeliverance.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3593&highlight=atheist

The style and capitalization is wrong, for starters, and even if it turns out it is the same person (not an impersonator) they are lying and doing a bad job at it.

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lukeprog June 22, 2010 at 10:18 am

Hermes,

That’s my suspicion as well. The IP is from Amsterdam.

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noen June 22, 2010 at 10:30 am

arda
You do not know me, you do not know my mental and emotional state. You do not know what I have been through and have done or not done for myself.

But I do know your mental state, you told me.

You then assumed that I was a victim of sexual assault…

I didn’t assume, I knew… and you are.

…and that I was triggered

But you were triggered. If ever so lightly, still, you were.

Don’t tell me I’m not recovered, unless you have far more information about me than I have provided in the posts above.

You’re a survivor Arda, and you always will be. Just as an alcoholic will always be alcoholic. There is no recovery in the sense of completely putting it behind you. The only way forward is through.

They shared very triggering stories. BUT before that began, we made sure that everyone in the room was ready. We never asked someone not to share their story

I have been. As a result I react negatively to demands that others manage one’s feelings for them. There are two stances people can take. One is “I am responsible for my own feelings” the other is “YOU are responsible for my feelings”. The demand that the larger culture cater to one’s own personal issues is indicative of the latter stance. This is a deep mistake.

And you know, it isn’t that difficult to post a trigger warning, to give someone another tool.

Actually, it is very difficult to know ahead of time what is going to trigger someone. It can, quite literally, be anything. So again, expecting that others should know and anticipate one’s own subjective needs beforehand is childish and narcissistic. You’re not a child, demanding to be treated as one is not recovery. (“You’re” is 3rd person not 1st person)

I understand your perspective, but it’s not the only one–and I don’t think it is the most helpful one to survivors of sexual assault.

I disagree. Repeated exposure and desensitization is the only approach that is known to work.

I have also recovered from this, noen, if you care to know.

Well, sure, I would care if this were not the internet or if it were a private communication. Generally I think it’s unwise to disclose personal info on the internet. More specifically, one’s personal experiences are not relevant to abstract problems.

But to ask people to recognize the existence of large groups of people–be they vets or survivors of sexual assault–seems a little different.

Again I disagree. I think that people who are struggling with their ptsd issues should work their program. That means that you go to your individual and group meetings and work on your issues there and then engage the larger culture on it’s own terms. Yes the world is a big bad place. Trying to pretend it isn’t is not a solution. Trying to make the whole world group therapy is not either.

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noen June 22, 2010 at 10:45 am

Hermes
For what it’s worth, Noen frequently gets things wrong about other people and reality in general. I don’t think Noen is a troll, but the impression I get is that they are either very inexperienced or unaware of how little they know.

Your condescension and arrogance really shines through here. You have often referred to me as “it” and here as “they”. Your use of such words betrays your deep hate and animosity for anyone who disagrees with you.

At the same time that you hurl your invectives at others you never really engage anyone in honest debate. You’ve been asked many times by others but you never do. You think it is beneath you to treat others with anything like respect or as equals because you have such an inflated perception of your own ego.

The truth is that you’re a coward and really, not that bright. You never debate anyone because you know you’d lose and probably look very foolish. Ad hominem is all you have.

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fschmidt June 22, 2010 at 11:24 am

lukeprog,

Yes I was sincere. I realize that the statement is not socially acceptable in modern culture, but I have a full moral explanation for it that should be understandable to any intelligent open-minded atheist.

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Hermes June 22, 2010 at 12:20 pm

Noen, once again I did not read your nonsense. Leave the lady alone and go blow yourself.

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Hermes June 22, 2010 at 12:46 pm

Fake fschmidt, why are you doing this? This thread is mostly dead, and you won’t get many people looking at it. Why bother trolling?

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Hermes June 22, 2010 at 1:09 pm

I take it back. My mistake. I was looking at nutty nautical999′s post not fschmidt’s hategram aimed at promoting rape — RAPE! –to the dating challenged. In either case — if you are just trolling or if you are entirely serious — seek therapy. If you’ve raped someone turn yourself in and beg that they forgive you. I know I would not.

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nautical999 August 29, 2010 at 4:32 am

You guys have a quote that is marked as coming from me. Those are not my words. I would appreciate it if i was emailed with the info on where it came from.

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Cafeeine August 29, 2010 at 4:46 am

Nautical999 is not a very unique U/N, so it may be somebody else using it.
A quick google search gave me this, where Luke got it: http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=60847

And its source: http://www.ministeringdeliverance.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3213&start=7

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Cafeeine August 29, 2010 at 4:51 am

I see by the link on your U/N that you most likely are the person this quote refers to. It is the quote above your name, about Leviathon, not the one under it.

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